2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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What Mercedes really needs in the next race or two, is a 1-2.

That will give them breathing room in each championship!
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Great Race. finally, a good fight again. Up there with France, Bahrain. But probably the most sensational race of the season for f1 fans, given the context of the weekend.

We have a championship that lives to go on another day now, so F1 won as well as the fans.

Great drive from Lewis. I want to say the same for Max but he zigg haggis and does unyielding defences that would take anyone out if they behaved as unyielding as he does.

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That Mercedes is too fast. They improved at least 1 second a lap since Mexico and USA where Verstappen was significantly faster.
Verstappen couldn't even keep Lewis out of the DRS zone even with all the dirty air. But how did they improve so much in just 1 week? Whatever they're doing it doesn't sound like a legitimate solution.

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Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!

FIA is a joke. Redbull is a gang of hypocrites. max's only "talent" is pushing others off the circuit.

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cooken wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:47
DChemTech wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:41
cooken wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:36
To think earlier in this very thread we had folks clamoring on about FIA helping Mercedes. Incredible how many on here keep embarrassing themselves.
One exception doesnt settle the balance. Proper track limit adherence in bahrain might have flipped 7 points towards Max, this time it was in Hamiltons favor (even though he didn't need it).
Case in point. Bahrain has nothing to do with it. There is no 'balance' to settle. Thinking this way is just bitter and immature.
It has everything to do with, with all those crying FIA is biased towards RB because of a single incident, while there have been erratic on and off-track decisions that favored MB, and that could play a decisive role in the end. I agree there is no literal balance to settle, the FIA just needs to settle their track limit policy, both in overtaking and non-overtaking situations, and they need to stop mid-season rule changes unless there is a clear, imminent safety concern.

It is indisputable that there have been decisions favouring mercedes this year throughout the season (note, that does not imply they deliberately made them to favor mercedes, I never said such a thing.), and it is ridiculous to use this single event to call "see, FIA bias RB clearly", or to use it to argue that earlier decisions and rule changes inadvertedly favored mercedes, just because this time a decision did not.
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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:56
We had a deserved winner. For that I’m grateful.
VER fought on the edge and imho a bit over but I’d probably would too if I was fighting for a championship. Stewards are the ones that have been inconsistent. Have your beef with them. Not with protagonists that have given us a season to remember
On the edge is one thing, Max trying to cause a crash rather than being overtaken is another!

Red Bull saying it was all ok over the radio is the opposite of what they were saying at Silverstone.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:00
Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!
Fox, you might try to recalculate laps needed... 😏
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Was Max given warnings or was it straight to black & white flags?
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Seems like my reply didnt post, so sgain.

As an Austrian, I like hesring our anthem, thus I am a bit biased, I like Red Bull.

But to be honest, if any other driver did, what Max did (going wide, forcing another driving off the track. not leaving a car width for an opponent, which is infront on the braking point. going „zick-zack“ down a straight to defent), it would be a penalty. +5s st least.

That is one of the main problems this season. the stewards decisions are not consistent

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pantherxxx wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:59
That Mercedes is too fast. They improved at least 1 second a lap since Mexico and USA where Verstappen was significantly faster.
Verstappen couldn't even keep Lewis out of the DRS zone even with all the dirty air. But how did they improve so much in just 1 week? Whatever they're doing it doesn't sound like a legitimate solution.
Oh stop it. The balance of power will continue to switch from track to track. Did you forget last week where Redbull finished almost half a minute up the road? 2 of the remaining tracks are very technical and that favors Redbull. Also the Merc power unit has power degradation so it won't be as strong at the other tracks. This thing can go either way but Max is still the favorite imo. He has got the FIA in his back pocket.

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So question, is it okay to not go for the apex when defending a corner now?

:lol:

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:00
Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!

FIA is a joke.
We need to have professional stewards and a decent race director.
Vote of No Confidence.
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DChemTech wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:01
cooken wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:47
DChemTech wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:41


One exception doesnt settle the balance. Proper track limit adherence in bahrain might have flipped 7 points towards Max, this time it was in Hamiltons favor (even though he didn't need it).
Case in point. Bahrain has nothing to do with it. There is no 'balance' to settle. Thinking this way is just bitter and immature.
It has everything to do with, with all those crying FIA is biased towards RB because of a single incident, while there have been erratic on and off-track decisions that favored MB, and that could play a decisive role in the end. I agree there is no literal balance to settle, the FIA just needs to settle their track limit policy, both in overtaking and non-overtaking situations, and they need to stop mid-season rule changes unless there is a clear, imminent safety concern.

It is indisputable that there have been decisions favouring mercedes this year throughout the season (note, that does not inply they deliberately made them to favor mercedes, I never said such a thing.), and it is ridiculous to use this single event to call "see, FIA bias RB clearly", or to use it as an argument to show that the decisions on many aspects did not favor Mercedes (non-deliberately).
True, Merc would have 1 less win if it wasn't for that 10 second time penalty debacle in Silverstone, so the FIA leniency towards Merc was clear there. And Ferrari would finally have the win they deserve, just saying. Ever since then, every race ending collision have been heavily punished and rightfully so, Bottas and Stroll and Verstappen himself have received various grid drop penalties for race ending collisions.
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That was a fun race.

Max not being told to hand the place back was a bit silly though. A stewarding decision based purely on entertainment over the rules.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:00
Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!

FIA is a joke. Redbull is a gang of hypocrites. max's only "talent" is pushing others off the circuit.
Exactly! I couldn't agree more. But you forgot to add the extra plus 5 pace penalty for the engine,