2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[nimoraca]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Nope not the same. In both cases Max is the one moving across. He was on the inside in this case, and he turned twice. The video replays will reveal. Hamilton has always raced Max fairly. Even in Silverstone he kept a predictable and single trajectory only for max to hack across into him. Max as usual hacks at his steering wheel to crash others.
Today he was in full control and there were no signs of understeer or lockups. He just knew he was beaten fairly.

I think he is afraid of Hamilton deep down. I can smell the melt down coming.. he may end up losing this championship because he lost his nerves here whenever Lewis gets within 1 second of him.

You're just plain wrong about Silverstone, Hamilton was barely making the corner there. There is plenty of trajectory analysis for this. Max gave him plenty of space lol. It's inarguable, the analysis is already, no need for conjuncture sorry.

Lol if anything Merc are afraid of Max because he literally doesn't care if he wins, he's a realist, he takes what is given, and is only 24 btw he is in no rush to win championships. Lewis has everything to lose and has the faster car, why would Max be afraid of that?. Hhe literally had no defence and they knew this from the start of the weekend, even from Perez having been passed like a pice of paper. If Max was so scared of Ham why wouldn't he just slow down to give Perez DRS and keep it a DRS train?.

No analysis can actually prove what would have happened in Britain. Here on the other hand, no analysis is needed. He didn't make the corner therefore gaining a lasting advantage. This is as clear cut as it gets.

[zibby43]

Steering wheel stop working mid-corner, or what?

credit to u/kj-ka- for the stabilization

[Mchamilton]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Had those been judged a racing incident, reaction on this one would have been different from a lot of people. The fact that those happened, and quite a few other drivers getting penalised for crowding in between makes the stewards not feeling today this needed any investigation pretty nonsensical. Personally, I do think that such crowding should not be (and not have been!) allowed from anyone (keep the racing between the lines, basically), but it is more important to me that there's a consistent rule about that.

The FIA sedom apply their own rules consistently, If it was a gravel trap outside of T4 or just grass there would most certainly be penalties, but perhaps because Hamilton recovered?. It's like in Monza, Hamilton did crowd the inside of T2 but because verstappen crashed into him then the FIA give him 3 place grid drop. And other examples of crowding like Sainz an Norris on lap 1, and causing a collision, they give no penalties there because it's lap 1. But they gave Tsunoda a penalty despite the fact Stroll gave him no space, didn't give Giovinazzi a penalty yesterday for colliding with Raikonnen either. Gasly overshoot the corner and nearly runs into Ocon and people say that's a racing incident as well. Its truly all over the place.

Imo penalties should be applied on consequence first then intent 2nd.

There is no way penalties can be applied based on consequences. No way.

[dans79]

Imo penalties should be applied on consequence first then intent 2nd.

No legal body works that's way.

What they need to do is apply the rules properly all the time regardless of what lap it is, corner it is, or who the driver is.

If they wanted to do it properly the stewards shouldn't be allowed to see a live feed, and anytime something is referred to them, they should be shown simulations/animations based on all the live data the FIA/FOM/Liberty have at their finger tips. They shouldn't be told who the drivers are, or what position they are fighting for, just the simulations that prevent them from making anything other than 100% unbiased decision.

[Just_a_fan]

Interesting difference in the reactions to Lewis and Max from the track side spectators. Lewis did seem to genuinely popular whilst Max got a lukewarm response. I wonder if that was in reaction to Max's overtake blocking manoeuvre, or whether Lewis just played the crowd better with the flag etc.

[nimoraca]

The fact that stewards conclusion was "No investigation necessary" is beyond absurdity. Really, not even an investigation, you are not even going to look at the telemetry or other data. Wow. They were clearly protecting themselves from an appeal.

[Tvetovnato]

Why is Britain even brought up here? Hamilton actually got a penalty there, overcame it and won fair and square. This obvious rule breach was not even INVESTIGATED. Double standards.

And I’m sick of the ”let them race” mentality when there is an obvious rule breach. It’s like if a footballer would run with the ball outside of the pitch with the ball and score a goal, and the refs would say ”let them play”. If we don’t follow the rules, there is no longer a sport. You can just do what you want then. Luckily it got sorted in the end.

[straightline]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Nope not the same. In both cases Max is the one moving across. He was on the inside in this case, and he turned twice. The video replays will reveal. Hamilton has always raced Max fairly. Even in Silverstone he kept a predictable and single trajectory only for max to hack across into him. Max as usual hacks at his steering wheel to crash others.
Today he was in full control and there were no signs of understeer or lockups. He just knew he was beaten fairly.

I think he is afraid of Hamilton deep down. I can smell the melt down coming.. he may end up losing this championship because he lost his nerves here whenever Lewis gets within 1 second of him.

You're just plain wrong about Silverstone, Hamilton was barely making the corner there. There is plenty of trajectory analysis for this. Max gave him plenty of space lol. It's inarguable, the analysis is already, no need for conjuncture sorry.

Ham barley made the corner. Verstappen? about 5m off. not even close to making it.

coming back to your main argument. yes, many hamiton fans were claiming it was a racing incident. If RB and the stewards had said the same thing I don‘t think there would be much argument here.
but neither was the case. RB said the inner car has to hit the apex and leave a lot of room and the stewards said a simiar thing.
by those standards it‘s pretty clear, that max was lucky today. very vers very lucky.

[politburo]

The only real difference between here and silverstone is the fact Hamilton didn’t try and turn in on Verstappen, the incidents are almost identical otherwise. The only thing that seems to have saved max from
A penalty is Hamilton actively avoiding contact. If you thought Hamilton was in the wrong at silverstone then there’s no real defensive of Verstappen today.

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Hamilton didn't go off the track as far as I remember? This today was clearly pushing your competitor off the track. That is his attitude. As soon as you are racing Verstappen in the corner he is going to push you off no matter what. The guy just clearly cannot race clean wheel to wheel. And that is just sad, because he is being "protected" by FIA by not even initiating investigation. Luckily Lewis managed to passed him.

Lewis got 10 second penalty in Silverstone. Max should have been penalised as well. At least they should have ordered him to give the position back immediately.

And booooooy that radio between RB and FIA with that "Let them race" bullshit. They were not speaking like that when Max was in the barriers. Pathetic from them.

Just to be clear, not a fan of Merc neither RB.


On the other note. Congrats to Lewis, that was a GOAT drive this whole weekend. Got penalised, kept his head down, clinical and cold in the race. What a race.

Lewis id take the racing line in Bahrain, and Max ha no choice but to go off the track there.

Lewis got a 10-second penalty but his fans were here on this very forum talking about how that was a racing incident, a narrative that just looks plain silly in hindsight. They can't have it both ways the Merc fans, they cannot say that it is racing incident when your driver does it and it is the devil himself when the other driver does it.

[Starkblood80]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Nope not the same. In both cases Max is the one moving across. He was on the inside in this case, and he turned twice. The video replays will reveal. Hamilton has always raced Max fairly. Even in Silverstone he kept a predictable and single trajectory only for max to hack across into him. Max as usual hacks at his steering wheel to crash others.
Today he was in full control and there were no signs of understeer or lockups. He just knew he was beaten fairly.

I think he is afraid of Hamilton deep down. I can smell the melt down coming.. he may end up losing this championship because he lost his nerves here whenever Lewis gets within 1 second of him.

You're just plain wrong about Silverstone, Hamilton was barely making the corner there. There is plenty of trajectory analysis for this. Max gave him plenty of space lol. It's inarguable, the analysis is already, no need for conjuncture sorry.

Lol if anything Merc are afraid of Max because he literally doesn't care if he wins, he's a realist, he takes what is given, and is only 24 btw he is in no rush to win championships. Lewis has everything to lose and has the faster car, why would Max be afraid of that?. Hhe literally had no defence and they knew this from the start of the weekend, even from Perez having been passed like a pice of paper. If Max was so scared of Ham why wouldn't he just slow down to give Perez DRS and keep it a DRS train?.

There’s just no way to realistically respond to such drivel.

[Starkblood80]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Hamilton didn't go off the track as far as I remember? This today was clearly pushing your competitor off the track. That is his attitude. As soon as you are racing Verstappen in the corner he is going to push you off no matter what. The guy just clearly cannot race clean wheel to wheel. And that is just sad, because he is being "protected" by FIA by not even initiating investigation. Luckily Lewis managed to passed him.

Lewis got 10 second penalty in Silverstone. Max should have been penalised as well. At least they should have ordered him to give the position back immediately.

And booooooy that radio between RB and FIA with that "Let them race" bullshit. They were not speaking like that when Max was in the barriers. Pathetic from them.

Just to be clear, not a fan of Merc neither RB.


On the other note. Congrats to Lewis, that was a GOAT drive this whole weekend. Got penalised, kept his head down, clinical and cold in the race. What a race.

Lewis id take the racing line in Bahrain, and Max ha no choice but to go off the track there.

Lewis got a 10-second penalty but his fans were here on this very forum talking about how that was a racing incident, a narrative that just looks plain silly in hindsight. They can't have it both ways the Merc fans, they cannot say that it is racing incident when your driver does it and it is the devil himself when the other driver does it.

Right and all the Max fans were baying for Hamilton’s blood yet are now trying to defend him now the tables are turned. So are they allowed to have it both ways?

[politburo]

Nope not the same. In both cases Max is the one moving across. He was on the inside in this case, and he turned twice. The video replays will reveal. Hamilton has always raced Max fairly. Even in Silverstone he kept a predictable and single trajectory only for max to hack across into him. Max as usual hacks at his steering wheel to crash others.
Today he was in full control and there were no signs of understeer or lockups. He just knew he was beaten fairly.

I think he is afraid of Hamilton deep down. I can smell the melt down coming.. he may end up losing this championship because he lost his nerves here whenever Lewis gets within 1 second of him.

You're just plain wrong about Silverstone, Hamilton was barely making the corner there. There is plenty of trajectory analysis for this. Max gave him plenty of space lol. It's inarguable, the analysis is already, no need for conjuncture sorry.

Lol if anything Merc are afraid of Max because he literally doesn't care if he wins, he's a realist, he takes what is given, and is only 24 btw he is in no rush to win championships. Lewis has everything to lose and has the faster car, why would Max be afraid of that?. Hhe literally had no defence and they knew this from the start of the weekend, even from Perez having been passed like a pice of paper. If Max was so scared of Ham why wouldn't he just slow down to give Perez DRS and keep it a DRS train?.

No analysis can actually prove what would have happened in Britain. Here on the other hand, no analysis is needed. He didn't make the corner therefore gaining a lasting advantage. This is as clear cut as it gets.

No analysis?. Goodness me. Are you one of those who believe Hamilton deserved no penalty at all in Britain?. I think that would be a good question to ask.

[politburo]

Hamilton didn't go off the track as far as I remember? This today was clearly pushing your competitor off the track. That is his attitude. As soon as you are racing Verstappen in the corner he is going to push you off no matter what. The guy just clearly cannot race clean wheel to wheel. And that is just sad, because he is being "protected" by FIA by not even initiating investigation. Luckily Lewis managed to passed him.

Lewis got 10 second penalty in Silverstone. Max should have been penalised as well. At least they should have ordered him to give the position back immediately.

And booooooy that radio between RB and FIA with that "Let them race" bullshit. They were not speaking like that when Max was in the barriers. Pathetic from them.

Just to be clear, not a fan of Merc neither RB.


On the other note. Congrats to Lewis, that was a GOAT drive this whole weekend. Got penalised, kept his head down, clinical and cold in the race. What a race.

Lewis id take the racing line in Bahrain, and Max ha no choice but to go off the track there.

Lewis got a 10-second penalty but his fans were here on this very forum talking about how that was a racing incident, a narrative that just looks plain silly in hindsight. They can't have it both ways the Merc fans, they cannot say that it is racing incident when your driver does it and it is the devil himself when the other driver does it.

Right and all the Max fans were baying for Hamilton’s blood yet are now trying to defend him now the tables are turned. So are they allowed to have it both ways?

Baying for Hamilton's blood for taking another driver out and then gaining the lasting advantage of being behind a teammate who will let you through and still winning the race?. Yeah that is barely even ridiculous if being compared to all this nonsense about gaining a lasting advantage. An advantage that lasted how laps again? 3, 4?.

[politburo]

Nope not the same. In both cases Max is the one moving across. He was on the inside in this case, and he turned twice. The video replays will reveal. Hamilton has always raced Max fairly. Even in Silverstone he kept a predictable and single trajectory only for max to hack across into him. Max as usual hacks at his steering wheel to crash others.
Today he was in full control and there were no signs of understeer or lockups. He just knew he was beaten fairly.

I think he is afraid of Hamilton deep down. I can smell the melt down coming.. he may end up losing this championship because he lost his nerves here whenever Lewis gets within 1 second of him.

You're just plain wrong about Silverstone, Hamilton was barely making the corner there. There is plenty of trajectory analysis for this. Max gave him plenty of space lol. It's inarguable, the analysis is already, no need for conjuncture sorry.

Lol if anything Merc are afraid of Max because he literally doesn't care if he wins, he's a realist, he takes what is given, and is only 24 btw he is in no rush to win championships. Lewis has everything to lose and has the faster car, why would Max be afraid of that?. Hhe literally had no defence and they knew this from the start of the weekend, even from Perez having been passed like a pice of paper. If Max was so scared of Ham why wouldn't he just slow down to give Perez DRS and keep it a DRS train?.

There’s just no way to realistically respond to such drivel.

Then don't, you clearly have no interest in being honest either way. Look at all your posts, it's all "Hamilton yay!". Lol Goodnight.

[nimoraca]

If Silverstone was a racing incident, and many of you Hamilton fans claimed it was, then so is this one and the one in Monza as well an the one in Bahrain. That is my point.

Hamilton didn't go off the track as far as I remember? This today was clearly pushing your competitor off the track. That is his attitude. As soon as you are racing Verstappen in the corner he is going to push you off no matter what. The guy just clearly cannot race clean wheel to wheel. And that is just sad, because he is being "protected" by FIA by not even initiating investigation. Luckily Lewis managed to passed him.

Lewis got 10 second penalty in Silverstone. Max should have been penalised as well. At least they should have ordered him to give the position back immediately.

And booooooy that radio between RB and FIA with that "Let them race" bullshit. They were not speaking like that when Max was in the barriers. Pathetic from them.

Just to be clear, not a fan of Merc neither RB.


On the other note. Congrats to Lewis, that was a GOAT drive this whole weekend. Got penalised, kept his head down, clinical and cold in the race. What a race.

Lewis id take the racing line in Bahrain, and Max ha no choice but to go off the track there.

Lewis got a 10-second penalty but his fans were here on this very forum talking about how that was a racing incident, a narrative that just looks plain silly in hindsight. They can't have it both ways the Merc fans, they cannot say that it is racing incident when your driver does it and it is the devil himself when the other driver does it.

Both ways what? He didn't run Max of the track in Britain. They collided inside the track limits. This wasn't the first time Max run Lewis out of space but at least in those situations he managed to stay on the track himself. Now it is apparently completely OK to dive on the inside, miss the track by 4 meters and retain position by doing so. Interesting.