2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[GrizzleBoy]

Mercades to Redbull "We are coming for you".....

I think the FIA are far more scared of unsettling "the show" than they are of an angry Merc boss.

The excuses they come up with are going to make them look even worse though.

Also re: Karen Chandok.

Edit "Karen" lol thanks autocorrect.

There is understeering, and then there's coasting past the apex while not turning, followed by hard acceleration at the apex while still aiming 90 degrees across the track because you've noticed your competitor is actually going to carry his speed round the outside of the track.

I can understand the understeering defense tactics. Ever driver does it. I don't like it personally but it's an accepted in racing standards.

The reason there is so much stink about what Max did is that NOBODY does it to that extent.

Max was watching Lewis the whole time and when Lewis stopped turning in to make the turn (because max was parked on it) and decided to use the outside of the track to carry his momentum (instead of parking on the track edge and waiting for the red bull to remember how to turn left), Max stamped on the gas to the point where he was literally still blocking Lewis five car widths away from the edge of the track and about ten cars width away from the apex.

Since when did that count as "good hard defensive driving" by anyones standards?

[Big Tea]

So he was on full lock and hard on the peddle and overshot by 10mtr? Lewis should have just stayed behind .

[Shrieker]

https://i.ibb.co/tBTXPLS/many-max.png

I mean, ouch.

Merc should protest this, but anything meaningful that should've been handed during the race (like a 5 sec penalty), would be hugely unfair now. Certainly deserves a reprimand, which can prevent a repeat. But then again, we're talking about MV, soooo...

Wouldn't get my hopes up.

[DrDejan]

1. If a car is significantly along the other car at the corner entry, the driver on the inside must provide room - Perez and Lando in Austria.
Lewis was ahead of Max at corner entry, Max didn’t provide room. Penalty.
2. Driver should not miss the apex and run into another car - Hamilton and Verstappen in England.
Max missed the apex, in his own words, and run into another car. Penalty.
3. By FIA rulebook, penalties are based on actions, not consequences.
‘Let them race’ is not a rule, it’s an excuse for inconsistent application of rules and precedents.

I believe it was 10 seconds penalty awarded in both cases. It makes sense to apply the same for this case.

With respect to Karun, I’d support his opinion if Max squeezed Lewis to the edge of the track forcing him to loose traction. In this case, he forced him out and based on many recent rulings should’ve earned a penalty.

Btw, there’s info that Mercedes requested a review of the incident. Let’s see what’ll happen.

[dans79]

Mercades to Redbull "We are coming for you".....

I think the FIA are far more scared of unsettling "the show" than they are of an angry Merc boss.

The excuses they come up with are going to make them look even worse though.

I'd wager a small amount that is at least partly why merc is doing it. If you you can't do your job properly, then I'm going to make you look like a buffoon!

[dans79]

I just saw this and I had to verify it!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Horner

Christian Edward Johnston Horner 16 November 1973 (age 48) Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, England

[AeroDynamic]

Mercades to Redbull "We are coming for you".....

That'll be gloves off then.

Sadly, I don't think they'll get anywhere with it.

Over the incident, no probably not. But its absolutely imperative they do this and I'll tell you why.

They have to make a stand and put pressure on the FIA over this issue (the brand of racing being employed under the previously agreed 'let them race' nonsense)

by refusing to be complicit in what's happening, the FIA will be under pressure to police harder and potentially penalise a similar incident later, even harsher; to set a precedent.

if they sit back and do nothing, it encourages things to go on as it has been.

[Hoffman900]

Mercades to Redbull "We are coming for you".....

That'll be gloves off then.

Sadly, I don't think they'll get anywhere with it.

Over the incident, no probably not. But its absolutely imperative they do this and I'll tell you why.

They have to make a stand and put pressure on the FIA over this issue (the brand of racing being employed under the previously agreed 'let them race' nonsense)

by refusing to be complicit in what's happening, the FIA will be under pressure to police harder and potentially penalise a similar incident later, even harsher; to set a precedent.

if they sit back and do nothing, it encourages things to go on as it has been.

This.

The protest is less about penalizing Max (they'll take it if they can get it) and more about putting the FIA on notice to get their head out of their butts.

[KeiKo403]

A little bit of parody and fun…

RedBull Racing launch unofficial protest against Mercedes
Red Bull Racing have asked the FIA to inspect Car 44 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team) as they have evidence of illegal magnets used during Sprint weekends.

First introduced in Silverstone where the polarity was believed to be reversed, we saw Car 44 repel Car 33 off track and crash out of the race.

In Monza we saw the upgraded use of extremely powerful rare-earth magnets used with devastating effect. This time the polarity was set such that Cars 44 and 33 would be attracted to each other. It seems the magnets were too powerful though and this caused Car 33 to mount Car 44.

A few months on and with considerable development it’s believed that the clever folk over at Brackley have engineered a way to pull Car 33 towards them without causing a collision. This was apparent at Brazil this last weekend when Car 44 deliberately left the track and while using his ‘magic magnets’ pulled Car 33 off track with him.

RedBull Racing believe this device to contravene all rules known to physics and have asked the FIA to exclude the Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team from the 2021 World Championships.

[michl420]

As the sport is this year, max did the right thing because he aims for the title, and the judges give him right. But that is not how it should be. This are the reasons for this drs, because without drs a driver is only side by side and with a asphalt run of area the inside driver pushes the car always out. If a car closes the inside line, with this rules, it is impossible to overtake on the outside without drs. There should be a rule and it must be practiced that a car must have space one the outside, no matter if there is a wall, grass or asphalt.

[dans79]

While not exactly the same Rosberg was given a 10 second penalty in Austria 2016, even though lewis got past and won the race. Thus while remote, the chance of max getting a penalty still exists, as they have penalized a championship protagonist in the past!

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... osberg.pdf

Having taken note of the extensive evidence given by both drivers and the video and
telemetry data, it was apparent that Car 44 (HAM) was in front of Car 6 (ROS) – i.e.
more than fully alongside – and that the driver of Car 44 could have clearly made the
turn (T2) on the track, if not for the resultant collision. Car 6 did not allow Car 44
“racing room” and hence the driver of Car 6 was responsible for the collision

[AeroDynamic]

do people really enjoy watching drivers pushed off the track as 'racing'? I'm willing to bet most people that say they do, enjoy it when they are watching a driver they want to win, do it to another driver. I'm pretty sure when the shoe is on the other foot, it's a whole different opinion on the brand of racing that it is.

For me, racing is great when we see Alonso vs Russell in Austria. I don't want to see the sport over penalised, I think there should be allowance; allowance for mistakes, when drivers give it a go, within reason. But deliberate driving outside of the rules and against the integrity of sportsmanship, needs to go. It cannot be just be ‘let them race’ I say, 'let them race with sportsmanship' that integrity should never be lost.

Drivers like Senna had class, on the contrary to ignorant people who think Senna was an example of racing like some today. He wasn't. There was one occasion where he didn't drive with integrity, and that was because he was pushed by another driver who didn't race with integrity with him; that deliberately manoeuvred their car with no sportsmanship intact. Suzuka 90 was a culmination of events that pushed Senna to do something he wasn't proud of.

other drivers, The Schumachers, Prosts, Verstappens, will not compete with integrity. Rules should hold them accountable, always. Best man and package should win on the track, within the confines of honest hard but fair racing.

[214270]

Removing your seatbelt on the cool down lap to grab a flag is dangerous and should be subject to a fine (sends a bad signal they said). But driving like a moron is all good apparently.

[ringo]

https://i.ibb.co/tBTXPLS/many-max.png

I mean, ouch.

Merc should protest this, but anything meaningful that should've been handed during the race (like a 5 sec penalty), would be hugely unfair now. Certainly deserves a reprimand, which can prevent a repeat. But then again, we're talking about MV, soooo...

Wouldn't get my hopes up.

Max should get a 5 place grid penalty again like he did in Monza.

[AeroDynamic]

If the FIA unexpectedly do penalise max, they should put points on his licence. I don’t agree with penalising him at the next race, I want a straight fight on equal footing in the remaining races. I do think he should be demoted to P3 for the Brazilian GP race result though.