2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Jolle]

So, RedBull filming day with Albon in the car to prove that Hamilton wouldn't have made the corner anyway?

[west52keep64]

I think the chances the stewards will actually apply a penalty are incredibly slim. The onboard footage is certainly new and relevant evidence, but what is it proving exactly? The footage available on the day showed Max running wide without locking or sliding, and the stewards already ruled based on that.

[adrianjordan]

I think the chances the stewards will actually apply a penalty are incredibly slim. The onboard footage is certainly new and relevant evidence, but what is it proving exactly? The footage available on the day showed Max running wide without locking or sliding, and the stewards already ruled based on that.

But it didn't allow them to see him open up the steering slightly mid corner when he already had a good rotation and was not understeering.

[adrianjordan]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

https://i.ibb.co/tBTXPLS/many-max.png

https://i.imgur.com/O9fvtu0.gif

I don't know what you mean. 2 of his wheels are still on the track. Just cos the other 18 aren't

[dans79]

I think the chances the stewards will actually apply a penalty are incredibly slim. The onboard footage is certainly new and relevant evidence, but what is it proving exactly? The footage available on the day showed Max running wide without locking or sliding, and the stewards already ruled based on that.

But it didn't allow them to see him open up the steering slightly mid corner when he already had a good rotation and was not understeering.

They also wouldn't have had his telemetry that Showed he had a much higher entry speed compared to his previous lap, While Lewis was almost identical to his previous lap.

Edit: the telemetry

[SiLo]

I think the chances the stewards will actually apply a penalty are incredibly slim. The onboard footage is certainly new and relevant evidence, but what is it proving exactly? The footage available on the day showed Max running wide without locking or sliding, and the stewards already ruled based on that.

But it didn't allow them to see him open up the steering slightly mid corner when he already had a good rotation and was not understeering.

They also wouldn't have had his telemetry that Showed he had a much higher entry speed compared to his previous lap, While Lewis was almost identical to his previous lap.

Edit: the telemetry
https://i.imgur.com/oujRda0_d.webp?maxw ... elity=high

35kph faster? I’d love to see someone explain that one away.

[ringo]

Then they should have investigated after the race before dismissing it without information.

[SiLo]

Then they should have investigated after the race before dismissing it without information.

Exactly my feelings on it as well.

[drunkf1fan]

But it didn't allow them to see him open up the steering slightly mid corner when he already had a good rotation and was not understeering.

They also wouldn't have had his telemetry that Showed he had a much higher entry speed compared to his previous lap, While Lewis was almost identical to his previous lap.

Edit: the telemetry
https://i.imgur.com/oujRda0_d.webp?maxw ... elity=high

35kph faster? I’d love to see someone explain that one away.

Faster, from a tighter angle and with a car on the inside he needs to leave space for.

No one ever needed anything beyond the first footage of that move, it was plain as day what Max did. Every other angle, every other piece of information proves what he did. Onboard just shows he floored it before he even left hte track which took him further off and also meant Hamilton had to take longer to come back on and coming back on in a more dangerous area. Sure the grass should be flat but coming on from the run off is safer, remember Kimi in Silverstone coming back on, coming back on or being off track where you shouldn't be has no guarantees.

The thing i don't get is how much opposition there is to the correct decision, sure fanboyism and bias but normally in an incident you have at least something to hang on to. In most incidents you could say maybe he locked up so he wasn't in control, or he was sliding out, he was going slower so you know he tried, they only just went off track, he slowed and got back on track quickly, he tried to give up any advantage gained, something. There is not a single even hint at something to hang a defence on, it's so completely and utterly cut and dry start to finish. There is no stage of this move he looks out of control. This is just a straight up we know what happened but we're not giving the penalty anyway.

[adrianjordan]

Likewise.

Also I've seen a few people saying that if the positions were reversed then Hamilton would have been given a penalty or similar insinuations. If Hamilton had been on the inside then, based on previous behaviour, there's a very real possibility that Max would have still turned in and they'd have collided.

[Poleman]

On another note,it was awesome to watch how Hamilton set Verstappen up in T1 (twice). He knows that Max will defend hard anything that even resembles a move in near proximity coming from anyone,more so from Hamilton , and used Verstappen's own weapon against him even though he wasn't even close of making a move stick and Max fell for it.

[sosic2121]

Silverstone

Apparently you forgot a penalty was given out in Silverstone?

You are right about that.

IMO there is no big difference in Lewis mindset in silverstone, compared to max in brasil.
What happened in both cases IMO is not racing, and what happened in Brasil and Monza is consequence of Silverstone.

It's gloves off now

[Just_a_fan]

On another note,it was awesome to watch how Hamilton set Verstappen up in T1 (twice). He knows that Max will defend hard anything that even resembles a move in near proximity coming from anyone,more so from Hamilton , and used Verstappen's own weapon against him even though he wasn't even close of making a move and Max fell for it.

Exactly so. The move was set up back on the other side of the track in order to get close enough to make Max go defensive, but not close enough to mess up his own line through T1,2,3. I guess he also learnt from his attack on Perez that you need to do the move in to T4 in order to be able to stick it. Doing it in to T1 means you're open to a repass in to T4 as the other car gets DRS on the T3-T4 straight. It was an example of good race craft and something that we will hopefully see more of with next year's cars.

[Shrieker]

They also wouldn't have had his telemetry that Showed he had a much higher entry speed compared to his previous lap, While Lewis was almost identical to his previous lap.
https://i.imgur.com/oujRda0_d.webp?maxw ... elity=high

I think this is quite supplementary to the video evidence, or maybe, even more telling. He wasn't worried about getting the car slowed down enough to make the corner one bit...

[Just_a_fan]

They also wouldn't have had his telemetry that Showed he had a much higher entry speed compared to his previous lap, While Lewis was almost identical to his previous lap.
https://i.imgur.com/oujRda0_d.webp?maxw ... elity=high

I think this is quite supplementary to the video evidence, or maybe, even more telling. He wasn't worried about getting the car slowed down enough to make the corner one bit...

I think he just did a ham-fisted blocking move with no real thought about the consequences. I do wonder if it's things like this move that show his relative lack of experience in single seat racing. Yes, he's been in F1 for a while now and showed that he as quick/quicker as any driver out there, but he did very little junior single seat racing - one season between karts and F1. Those junior formulae are where the drivers learn the niceties of close racing in cars that are similar in performance as we have this year. But he's a smart guy and will doubtless learn from Brazil and do things a little differently next time. Or he'll just think "I got away with it so I'll do it again". And then there will be a shunt. Maybe Mercedes asking for a review will make him think "I'll do it differently next time" and that's great.