2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[politburo]

You see Bottas does exactly what Verstappen did but the narrative is that "Because Max set his fastest time in the 3rd sector he deserves a penalty", nice mental gymnastics to get around the fact that when it's yellow or double yellow you are meant to slow down, nothing in the event notes about whether you set your fastest sector or not . Kinda shocking if it is silliness or just willful ignorance?. He deserves a penalty for not slowing down, just as Bottas does.

https://i.imgur.com/KBp1rSQ.png

no yellow flag when bottas came through
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You can clearly see the marshal waving the single yellow flag as he exits T16 on the upper left - if you need assistance, slow the video down. There are reasons why marshals wear orange or dull colours.

When Verstappen gets to that part of the track it's double waved.

It's literally the same thing.

[Restomaniac]

I did not see the double yellows. As much as I would like Max to race from 5 places behind.
Did race control remove the yellows before Max and Bottas got there?

He will not lose his lap if he broke the rules. He will get a 5 place penalty, as it is a safety breach, not so much a sporting breach. Bottas may be okay, as he crossed after when the flags would have been down?

But I am starting to see the bias more blatantly now. That session should have been double yellowed till the end.

As for Hamilton's lap, it is suprising some fans, becuase they either forget or they have not been watching Hamilton before mercedes. Since Mclaren days he has been working magic in the mickey mousey sectors around the circuits.
I think something awoke in him in Brazil and he he showing the aggressive Hamilton of old.
He kept that lap up his sleeve for the last minute and is simply operating on the raged edge like Max does each weekend. Looks like the conservative smooth clinician approach has taken a back seat and Hamilton is smelling blood, it's do or die now.
I do not think the Mercedes is 4 tenths quicker over a lap. Right now its about 1 tenth to Max in race pace or even less. That lap was just Hamilton. The car does not have any engine or wing advantage. Just setup and Hamilton back to his old self. Max will come back at him in the race.

You can literally see them when Verstappen goes past. The same stewards station isn’t showing them when Bottas does. Remember Bottas came through before Verstappen.

Okay!
Mercedes need to be merciless and squeeze every drop of the rules that they can.
Feed Max to the midfield sharks and let him swim back to the front. It's good for the championship.
They will look foolish letting him stay in P-2 and then they fluff up the strategy and Max wins. They need to protest.
But Masi is in Horner's pocket these days. Masi will just claim that Max's throttle pedal got stuck and he could not do anything about it.

[AeroDynamic]

Now that you point it out, I can see it, that could be a problem for Max.

What’s the problem Dans

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Well if he broke the rules, rules are rules. They should do something. But they were looking the other way cause it’s MV, poster boy for the new generation of fans

[politburo]

Now that you point it out, I can see it, that could be a problem for Max.

What’s the problem Dans

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Same as Bottas. If anything all Verstappen will get is a deleted time and reprimand. It's there in the event notes.

[politburo]

What’s the problem Dans

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Well if he broke the rules, rules are rules. They should do something. But they were looking the other way cause it’s MV, poster boy for the new generation of fans

Nope. The rules are that your time gets deleted, at most they give your a reprimand especially if you ahven't done this regularly before. Do you not read any of the event documents and just make assumptions?. It's there in the event notes

[politburo]

I did not see the double yellows. As much as I would like Max to race from 5 places behind.
Did race control remove the yellows before Max and Bottas got there?

He will not lose his lap if he broke the rules. He will get a 5 place penalty, as it is a safety breach, not so much a sporting breach. Bottas may be okay, as he crossed after when the flags would have been down?

But I am starting to see the bias more blatantly now. That session should have been double yellowed till the end.

As for Hamilton's lap, it is suprising some fans, becuase they either forget or they have not been watching Hamilton before mercedes. Since Mclaren days he has been working magic in the mickey mousey sectors around the circuits.
I think something awoke in him in Brazil and he he showing the aggressive Hamilton of old.
He kept that lap up his sleeve for the last minute and is simply operating on the raged edge like Max does each weekend. Looks like the conservative smooth clinician approach has taken a back seat and Hamilton is smelling blood, it's do or die now.
I do not think the Mercedes is 4 tenths quicker over a lap. Right now its about 1 tenth to Max in race pace or even less. That lap was just Hamilton. The car does not have any engine or wing advantage. Just setup and Hamilton back to his old self. Max will come back at him in the race.

You can literally see them when Verstappen goes past. The same stewards station isn’t showing them when Bottas does. Remember Bottas came through before Verstappen.

Are you trolling or you just chose not to see clear as day what is in the video?. Anybody can see that the yellow flag is out by the marshal post to the top left on the onboard footage from Bottas

[politburo]

What’s the problem Dans

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Slam Dunk Penalty.
But these days a slam dunk is not a sure thing unless the backboard glass shatters. No penalty for Max because he did not crash into Gasly.

No.

[Noble29]

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Well if he broke the rules, rules are rules. They should do something. But they were looking the other way cause it’s MV, poster boy for the new generation of fans

Nope. The rules are that your time gets deleted, at most they give your a reprimand especially if you ahven't done this regularly before. Do you not read any of the event documents and just make assumptions?. It's there in the event notes

https://i.imgur.com/KBp1rSQ.png

My understanding of that is under normal conditions with a double yellow, you'll get your lap deleted no matter what. The question is what are the consequences for not following the instructions of slowing down and being prepared to stop. The lap deletion should be automatic, but failing to do the slowing down part is what should warrant a penalty.

[PlatinumZealot]

What’s the problem Dans

he set his fastest 3rd sector, and showed no signs of lifting off when he passed through the double waved yellows.

That's 2 no nos.

Same as Bottas. If anything all Verstappen will get is a deleted time and reprimand. It's there in the event notes.

The flags were not being waved when Bottas drove by though. They were neatly perched up on a hanger above the marshal's head.
They were clearly being waved after that however.

I think if it it were a single yellow, Bottas would get a slap on the wrist. Bottas and Max moving back five places would start them 7th and 8th.

[f1jcw]

The lap deletion is a standard feature to stop people even bothering to push

[politburo]

You see Bottas does exactly what Verstappen did but the narrative is that "Because Max set his fastest time in the 3rd sector he deserves a penalty", nice mental gymnastics to get around the fact that when it's yellow or double yellow you are meant to slow down, nothing in the event notes about whether you set your fastest sector or not . Kinda shocking if it is silliness or just willful ignorance?. He deserves a penalty for not slowing down, just as Bottas does.

https://i.imgur.com/KBp1rSQ.png

no yellow flag when bottas came through
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You really watched that video in high definition and couldn't see the yellow flag waved clearly in the top left?. Damn!

[214270]

Well if he broke the rules, rules are rules. They should do something. But they were looking the other way cause it’s MV, poster boy for the new generation of fans

Nope. The rules are that your time gets deleted, at most they give your a reprimand especially if you ahven't done this regularly before. Do you not read any of the event documents and just make assumptions?. It's there in the event notes

https://i.imgur.com/KBp1rSQ.png

My understanding of that is under normal conditions with a double yellow, you'll get your lap deleted no matter what. The question is what are the consequences for not following the instructions of slowing down and being prepared to stop. The lap deletion should be automatic, but failing to do the slowing down part is what should warrant a penalty.

Yes, this is my understanding. Lap deletion is not the only sanction

[Hammerfist]

I am a bit confused on what the penalty should be because I do remember Max going through a double wave yellow in Mexico and lost pole over it. But he was not penalized for that. Or was it a single waved yellow?

edit: He did get a grid spot penalty for Mexico 2019. So the same should apply here.

[Shrieker]

Sooo riddle me this:

What happens if MV goes into the first corner on the outside on lap 1 tomorrow, and a Merc lets go of the brakes, pushing him out wide, off the track, and then some onto the gravel ?

Penalty, or no penalty ?

[siskue2005]

You really watched that video in high definition and couldn't see the yellow flag waved clearly in the top left?. Damn!

Please post screenshot