2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[siskue2005]

Sooo riddle me this:

What happens if MV goes into the first corner on the outside on lap 1 tomorrow, and a Merc lets go of the brakes, pushing him out wide, off the track, and then some onto the gravel ?

Penalty, or no penalty ?

Penalty

[Jolle]

Having your time deleted is not the punishment for disobeying yellow flags, because that wouldn’t be an insensitive to slow down (then the lap is gone anyway). Normally it’s a 5 place grid drop and might be higher then it’s double waved (because it’s more dangerous). Ignoring a red flag (for instance overtaking under red) is disqualification from the session.

[MtthsMlw]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

[Stu]

Do the rules state that the flap must be ‘still’ when operated? To my knowledge the DRS flap is specifically excluded from the rules about moving aerodynamic devices (obviously, as by its very definition it is a moving aerodynamic device!!). There must be a minimum slot gap when closed, with a maximum slot gap when open.
However…
I’m not entirely sure how you could regulate around this without simply outlawing DRS.
Maybe F1 should have stuck with the F-duct! Simple, clever, works!

For all those that believe Mercedes to be whiter than white when it come to regulations, don’t forget that double-DRS used to be a thing, they came up with that and it worked quite effectively! It forced a re-interpretation (a TD…), and was banned.

Everyone is trying to take advantage of the grey areas; that is where championships are won and lost. None of them are above using red-herrings to throw other teams off the scent of where they are gaining advantages. All of them will argue that their interpretation is completely legal until proven wrong.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with a new technical directive. I think a lot of people are taking issue with the constant use of the word cheating.

And the comically lopsided use of the term from some. Two teams similarly exploiting grey areas or loopholes in similar or different areas, person labels team A as innovative or clever and team B as a cheat or vice versa.

Whatever either RBR or MB may or may not have been doing with wings this season- none of it is cheating as far as I’m concerned. It’s all exploring grey areas and innovative solution.

I couldn’t agree more, there is much too much partisan fanboyish behaviour on this forum. It makes some topics totally unreadable.
If only people could step back back from the mirror and look at the world around them; they would see that
a) there is not much about F1 that matters in the real world
b) there is a great deal of rubbish ‘spouted forth’ by people with an axe to grind

[politburo]

Well if he broke the rules, rules are rules. They should do something. But they were looking the other way cause it’s MV, poster boy for the new generation of fans

Nope. The rules are that your time gets deleted, at most they give your a reprimand especially if you ahven't done this regularly before. Do you not read any of the event documents and just make assumptions?. It's there in the event notes

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My understanding of that is under normal conditions with a double yellow, you'll get your lap deleted no matter what. The question is what are the consequences for not following the instructions of slowing down and being prepared to stop. The lap deletion should be automatic, but failing to do the slowing down part is what should warrant a penalty.

Definitely a penalty, given the precedence, they always give penalties for this. But if Verstappen gets one then Bottas will also get one for not slowing down during yellow. FIA gave penalty to Vettel in Bahrain for 5 place grid drop for single waved yellow. Thus it must be the same for Bottas and Verstappen.

[politburo]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

The teams also made no mention of it to their drivers watching the onboard. It makes sense, as the hazard (Gasly) was not on the racing line.

[siskue2005]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

In Austria 2020 Lewis also did not have any change in his steering wheel, it was just the marshal post with double yellow and he still got 5 place drop.

[KeiKo403]

Well Garry Connelly is a steward this weekend and apparently RBR and Max don’t like him as he makes decisions (applies the rules) against Max

[214270]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

Again, I recall a similar situation explaining that the electronic system has lag and may not always be reliable. Therefore on track flags must be adhered to.

[siskue2005]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

The teams also made no mention of it to their drivers watching the onboard. It makes sense, as the hazard (Gasly) was not on the racing line.

In Austria 2020 Bottas ran wide and was 200 meters away from the track when Lewis came through and he still got penalty

[Poleman]

Although i expect no penalty whatsoever,if there is anything punishable and worth achieving then they should go for it and hell even if Bottas broke the rules himself send him in the back as well next to Max he can easily murder him in the midfield!

[AeroDynamic]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

In Austria 2020 Lewis also did not have any change in his steering wheel, it was just the marshal post with double yellow and he still got 5 place drop.

I bet they don’t give max a drop.

[MtthsMlw]

There were physical waved flags but apparently nothing on the electronic system. I assume that plays a role in whether or not you get summoned to the stewards unless someone reports you.

Again, I recall a similar situation explaining that the electronic system has lag and may not always be reliable. Therefore on track flags must be adhered to.

Yes flags > lights but now someone has to look through all the footage. If it were yellow on the system you might get auto-reported. Idk for sure if it works this way though.

[AeroDynamic]

Although i expect no penalty whatsoever,if there is anything punishable and worth achieving then they should go for it and hell even if Bottas broke the rules himself send him in the back as well next to Max he can easily murder him in the midfield! LOL! But lets face it its funny people still posting/debating/arguing about rules and breach of them. They (rules) have been thrown in the FIA trash bin as of late.They simply don't care,they are just busy flexing the Mercedes rear wings and doing what Karen Horner says The way i see it is that Masi and co. have really f**ked up can't wait for this season to be over!

Tbh, fans should start a petition to demote Massi, huge embarrassment.

The fact that it’s been reported most drivers feel unclear about the rules after, is a joke.

[siskue2005]

Yeah if both Max and Bottas didnt slow down then punish them both.