2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[AeroDynamic]

Fun feature with Sainz and Norris.

Damon Hill- do you think Verstappen and Hamilton are better than you?

Both- No (instantly)

That’s what I like to hear! Two of my favourite drivers.

Thing is, sainz and verstappen did share the same machinery once already.

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[Juzh]

Sainz should have been given a penalty as well. He doesn't lift at all while going past gasly or marshalling post. He only lifts like 10 meters before finish line which is much further down the road, and the only reason he lifted a bit early is because he saw on his delta that the will not improve his time. He was 0.15s down on his first Q3 lap. FIA must be very blind not to notice this.

See for yourself:
https://streamable.com/lp5k45

there's a throttle feather for sure, in 7th he doesn't go through the revs as quickly. FIA had telemetry evidence so I think that's more reliable than a video with no throttle trace.

There's no lift. If he would be feathering the throttle then his time delta would plummet, instead it's going down linearly because of bad exit from final corner.

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.


Conclusion: should be penatly.

[Noble29]

FIA at it again, Bottas starts 6th, not 5th, Sainz is now moved into 5th ahead of him?!

[Just_a_fan]

Fun feature with Sainz and Norris.

Damon Hill- do you think Verstappen and Hamilton are better than you?

Both- No (instantly)

That’s what I like to hear! Two of my favourite drivers.

What did Damon expect them to say? Even if they did think it, they'd never admit it publicly.

[jjn9128]

There's no lift. If he would be feathering the throttle then his time delta would plummet, instead it's going down linearly because of bad exit from final corner.

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.
https://i.imgur.com/hzldQbo.png

Conclusion: should be penatly.

From the decision document, they've obviously seen proof.

The driver stated that although he did not see the yellow flag, he did see that Car 10
was stationary on the right of the pit straight and therefore assumed that there was
the probability that he was in a yellow flag area, so made a significant reduction in
speed in the relevant mini-sector. The Stewards confirmed this from the telemetry.
He thus complied with the Race Directors Event Notes and Appendix H of the
International Sporting Code.

[Just_a_fan]

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.
https://i.imgur.com/hzldQbo.png

Conclusion: should be penatly.

Is that the trace recorded by the car or is it based on the engine sound in video? The stewards have the actual throttle sensor trace which is obviously the most accurate evidence, even though the video analyses you do are obviously also very good.

[Magicsenna_41]

Found an interesting throttle trace on twitter

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I think here it was clear that Sainz had lifted.

[Just_a_fan]

FIA at it again, Bottas starts 6th, not 5th, Sainz is now moved into 5th ahead of him?!

They couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

It helps Max by putting Bottas to the side of him instead of ahead.

[El Scorchio]

Verstappen on softs. Did he qualify from Q2 on those or is he allowed to change them?

OR can they go to the grid on whatever tyres they wish?

[Juzh]

There's no lift. If he would be feathering the throttle then his time delta would plummet, instead it's going down linearly because of bad exit from final corner.

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.
https://i.imgur.com/hzldQbo.png

Conclusion: should be penatly.

From the decision document, they've obviously seen proof.

The driver stated that although he did not see the yellow flag, he did see that Car 10
was stationary on the right of the pit straight and therefore assumed that there was
the probability that he was in a yellow flag area, so made a significant reduction in
speed in the relevant mini-sector. The Stewards confirmed this from the telemetry.
He thus complied with the Race Directors Event Notes and Appendix H of the
International Sporting Code.

Of course they did. He escaped on a technicality and FIA incompetence. A random fan from the internet can pull this video and telemetry data from official sources right off the internet literally 5 minutes after qualifying is over, yet FIA is incapable of checking 15 seconds of onboard 20 hours later. It looks like they also weren't able to tell know how late sainz's lift actually was from telemetry (just before the line, obvious as day).

[Juzh]

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.
https://i.imgur.com/hzldQbo.png

Conclusion: should be penatly.

Is that the trace recorded by the car or is it based on the engine sound in video? The stewards have the actual throttle sensor trace which is obviously the most accurate evidence, even though the video analyses you do are obviously also very good.

This is data straight from the teams, just with lower resolution. From my testing it's able to capture lifts of 1-2% that lasted no longer than 0.1s-0.2s. So even if sainz magically fell into this time window it's still nowhere near enough to get him off the hook. FIA was simply duped by ferrari in this case. Hats off the them.

[Just_a_fan]

Verstappen on softs. Did he qualify from Q2 on those or is he allowed to change them?

OR can they go to the grid on whatever tyres they wish?

They can go on anything they like. They'll want to keep the start tyres as good as possible without the risk of a lock up or an off on the lap to the grid.

[MtthsMlw]

I don't understand how Bottas ended up P6? Are these penalties given out simultaneously?

[Restomaniac]

I don't understand how Bottas ended up P6? Are these penalties given out simultaneously?

He was 3rd + 3.

[Just_a_fan]

Further proof: throttle trace from sainz's final lap. as you can see lift is only detected just before finish line, as can be observed and heard from the video.
https://i.imgur.com/hzldQbo.png

Conclusion: should be penatly.

Is that the trace recorded by the car or is it based on the engine sound in video? The stewards have the actual throttle sensor trace which is obviously the most accurate evidence, even though the video analyses you do are obviously also very good.

This is data straight from the teams, just with lower resolution. From my testing it's able to capture lifts of 1-2% that lasted no longer than 0.1s-0.2s. So even if sainz magically fell into this time window it's still nowhere near enough to get him off the hook. FIA was simply duped by ferrari in this case. Hats off the them.

The throttle data is available from the teams?