FIA World Engine

[virtuso13]

Same engines now .
After some time we will see them using the same car.
Oh wait !!! the drivers are different
we'll see max cloning the drivers .

Its time to have an independent league . I can't stand an idiotic lawyer is running f1 anymore.

[Versa-Tech]

Oh god, another crazy FIA plan!!!

Max Mosley has revealed plans for a "world engine" that in 2013 would be capable of powering FIA categories including Formula One, World Rally Championship and Formula Two.

On a visit last weekend to the rally of Portugal he said: "It would work in turbocharged form for F1 and then all the way down to naturally aspirated form for the lesser categories and in a turbocharged or naturally aspirated form for the World Rally Championship."

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 4247.shtml

I apologize that my first post is so negative... But that's nucking futz!

Mosley is a kook!

[xpensive]

I guess this is what you get when you ask a Lawyer to do an Engineer's job?

[ben_watkins]

With Mad Max announcing this c*** I think that the FOTA have one option - Create their own series and give the FIAsco and Bernie the bird!

[timbo]

Well, excuse me, but what exactly he meant? A single manufacturer feeding all those classes with spec engine or unified formula displacementwise for all those classes.
In case of variant two I think it is a very good idea.

[bidong]

Any chance to stick it into MotoGP, eh? It's a world championship too after all.

I don't see why they can't be in on this, too...take the "world engine", saw two cylinders off it, and someone's good to go! One V8 engine will be good for 4 Moto GP bikes!

I think there might be something to this idea after all...

NOW THAT IS SOME SERIOUS COST CUTTING. i think it will work. hehehehe

[woohoo]

With Mad Max announcing this c*** I think that the FOTA have one option - Create their own series and give the FIAsco and Bernie the bird!

And not a second too soon!

[Dukeage]

The idea of a spec engine for F1 is stupid.
The idea of a spec engine for the WRC is stupid.
The thought of one spec engine for both is extremely stupid.

However, a single set of engine rules for LMP1, F1 and a new Formula Two could work with different power limits/levels of tuning, as could one for the WRC and WTCC.

Despite this, the idea of a spec engine for F1 is stupid, the idea of a spec engine for the WRC is stupid. The thought of one spec engine for both is extremely stupid.

[Tim.Wright]

The idea has some merit. The reasoning and intent seems good (money doesn't grow on trees anymore), the implementation possibly needs more explaining.

It would be a pretty amazing engineering excersise to design an engine for three different formulas. Especially when 2 would use it as a stressed member and one doesn't. That to me is true engineering - doing for for $10 and 10 parts what anyone could do with $1000 and 1000 parts.

Yes its true that many parts change from an NA installation to turbo - but the captial intensive stuff (from a manufacturing viewpoint) like blocks, crankshafts,rods, pistons (anything requiring expensive forging dies) being standardised will result in massive cost savings.

I guess as a manufacturing engineer myself I can see the benefits of such an excersise - from an economic point of view anyway. Tooling is f***** expensive compared to the cost of the materials which actually go into a part.

You have to remember - Max comes up with wild ideas like this all the time - most get shot down. Its not his job to be an engineer or to think through all the detail - that is for the engineering community to feedback. Like I said - the intent and reasoning are good, thats what he is there for.

People would have to agree (to a small extent at least) that all of the interest in this season is down to all the 'innovation' in the management of the sport. I have enjoyed the season so far.

Back to the World Engine call though - I can't see it happening to be honest. What happened to the standard engine, was that completely put to bed?

Hey I like this idea...

However, a single set of engine rules for LMP1, F1 and a new Formula Two could work with different power limits/levels of tuning, as could one for the WRC and WTCC.

Tim

[Chaparral]

For gods sake why does anyone anywhere put any credence into anything coming from Mosely and the FIA with regard to any formulae in the sport - they are first and foremost just a governance body nothing more - repeat - nothing more. They have been paramount in manipulating F1 and WRC for the past decade to the detriment of both - Mosley isnt the messiah as he is now parading himself as he's just a very naughty boy who's been let loose in the chocolate factory nothing more - he is actually much worse than Ballestre could be and I never thought I'd ever say that. To even think that you could manipulate a global sport at all levels into a 'world engine' format - my god you are demented old chap - next he will insist all global citizens are chipped to think the same - I know what I'm thinking but I wont go there and say it

Sport in itself is about the challenge with the focus on winning or competing to the best of your ability and regarding motor sport about innovation by the various teams and engineers, designers, engine builders, drivers etc etc etc - and that works in all formulae be they local or world stage. To have a person trying to stipulate that this 'world engine' format and its variants in the various categories is the ideal is just beyond the pale - we may as well surrender and plug ourselves into the parity plug where we all think the same and basically the life game is all over.

I cannot believe anyone with half a brain would believe this is good - I can see where the nerds could see it as workable but navel gazers are navel gazers and they will always find some basic good in all this - let me remind you however the FIA and Mosley are only the governance body thats all - the various racing formulae around the globe are defined by the various groups involved not the FIA and Mosley. We all know that F1 is basically part of the 'entertainment' genre these days - it has nothing to do with sport like the 60s & 70s - the ringmaster is Ecclestone so OK even I have to accept that now but please lets not let this megalomaniac Mosely impose his influence further - it is just very silly stuff.

Signed

Yours Sincerely

A long term supporter of motor sport

[Conceptual]

BRING ON THE THEATRICAL FORMULAE!

[Scania]

The idea of a spec engine for F1 is stupid.
The idea of a spec engine for the WRC is stupid.
The thought of one spec engine for both is extremely stupid.

However, a single set of engine rules for LMP1, F1 and a new Formula Two could work with different power limits/levels of tuning, as could one for the WRC and WTCC.

Despite this, the idea of a spec engine for F1 is stupid, the idea of a spec engine for the WRC is stupid. The thought of one spec engine for both is extremely stupid.

WRC & WTCC is going this way

[Chaparral]

BRING ON THE THEATRICAL FORMULAE!

Yes the play Death In Venice comes to mind with Mosely

[jddh1]

I think we're moving towards F1 being the cutting edge we would like it to be only on video games about racing. That's how it seems it's going to be.
Look out for Driver JDDH1 being a 9 times world champion on a team with a budget of 100 million fake dollars and sponsors ranging from adult websites to anti-cheats' scripts.

[jddh1]

...kinda like a Formula V (as in letter V not roman numeral 5)