2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[godlameroso]

My prediction, 1:25's in race trim around Barcelona(full tank of fuel). 1:24's if they knocked it out of the park. Verstappen was doing low 23's at the start of the race in 2021. If the car is already faster than last year, watch out!

[Ryar]

Quick note to Red Bull team: Aston Martin shows how to do it properly and not just do a cynical exercise in sponsor glad-handing.

One can hope, they show it on track too! It would be great to see Mr. Vettel back at the front.

[Wouter]

It’s not ready yet. Probably won’t be until the very last moment.

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Well, Max is at the factory today. What do you think he is testing?
Of course the car isn't ready, but they have the first version ready for testing, like all the other teams.

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What car testing? Do u mean simulator?

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I assume you are aware that no team is allowed to test a car on track outside/besides the test days.
I'm talking about the AVL Car-in-the-loop Dyno.
The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",
as if it were on the racetrack.
(The load dynamometers (AVL DynoWheel) are replacing the wheel and do have an inertia comparable to the wheel.)

[diffuser]

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Well, Max is at the factory today. What do you think he is testing?
Of course the car isn't ready, but they have the first version ready for testing, like all the other teams.

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What car testing? Do u mean simulator?

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I assume you are aware that no team is allowed to test a car on track outside/besides the test days.
I'm talking about the AVL Car-in-the-loop Dyno.
The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",
as if it were on the racetrack.
(The load dynamometers (AVL DynoWheel) are replacing the wheel and do have an inertia comparable to the wheel.)

Even if that exists, if they haven't finished the car yet, how could there be spare parts for that?

[Henri]

Did dan leaving influence why they haven't got the car ready like previous years ?

[Curbstone]

Did dan leaving influence why they haven't got the car ready like previous years ?

Only RBR can tell for sure. But I doubt it has a significant effect. It's a major rule change and designers are probably still in the steep part of the learning curve, you would want to use as much time for the design as possible.

[Wouter]

What car testing? Do u mean simulator?

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I assume you are aware that no team is allowed to test a car on track outside/besides the test days.
I'm talking about the AVL Car-in-the-loop Dyno.
The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",
as if it were on the racetrack.
(The load dynamometers (AVL DynoWheel) are replacing the wheel and do have an inertia comparable to the wheel.)

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Even if that exists, if they haven't finished the car yet, how could there be spare parts for that?

That sounds like you think I'm selling bullshit. I can't imagine that you didn't hear the news at the time, because RB was the first to purchase that system. Here just one more time:

In February 2016, Red Bull ordered a test bench built by AVL that allegedly cost 30 million euros. This also includes the new 360 degree simulator from Cruden. No other system gives the driver such a realistic impression.
Niki Lauda was amazed at the time: "Red Bull are one step ahead of us there."

I don't quite understand the question you ask. As soon as the first version of a new car has been assembled, complete with gearbox and PU, it is placed on that test bench and in a room next to it, the driver sits in the sim to drive the car. Next time version 2 will be tested. Why are you asking about spare parts?

[diffuser]

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I assume you are aware that no team is allowed to test a car on track outside/besides the test days.
I'm talking about the AVL Car-in-the-loop Dyno.
The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",
as if it were on the racetrack.
(The load dynamometers (AVL DynoWheel) are replacing the wheel and do have an inertia comparable to the wheel.)

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Even if that exists, if they haven't finished the car yet, how could there be spare parts for that?

That sounds like you think I'm selling bullshit. I can't imagine that you didn't hear the news at the time, because RB was the first to purchase that system. Here just one more time:

In February 2016, Red Bull ordered a test bench built by AVL that allegedly cost 30 million euros. This also includes the new 360 degree simulator from Cruden. No other system gives the driver such a realistic impression.
Niki Lauda was amazed at the time: "Red Bull are one step ahead of us there."

I don't quite understand the question you ask. As soon as the first version of a new car has been assembled, complete with gearbox and PU, it is placed on that test bench and in a room next to it, the driver sits in the sim to drive the car. Next time version 2 will be tested. Why are you asking about spare parts?

I just didn't know...so I had my doudts but ok ...


you said "The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",as if it were on the racetrack."

I presumed for that to be relevant that the car inthe other room need to be a match for the 2022 car?

[Wouter]

I just didn't know...so I had my doudts but ok ...

you said "The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",as if it were on the racetrack."

I presumed for that to be relevant that the car inthe other room need to be a match for the 2022 car?

The car running on the AVL test bench in the adjacent room is the real new RB18, probably the 1st or 2nd version.
That depends on how far they are with testing and adjustments/updates.

[SmallSoldier]

I just didn't know...so I had my doudts but ok ...

you said "The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",as if it were on the racetrack."

I presumed for that to be relevant that the car inthe other room need to be a match for the 2022 car?

The car running on the AVL test bench in the adjacent room is the real new RB18, probably the 1st or 2nd version.
That depends on how far they are with testing and adjustments/updates.

A) You are assuming that the car is ready because Max is in the simulator… They don’t need to have the car ready for Max to use the simulator (if that’s why he is there).

B) Even if Max is using the simulator and they are using the AVL test bench, they don’t need a complete car to do so… They only the mechanical portion of the car… If as rumored, they have had issues passing the crash tests, they could run the AVL without a nose cone for example (or any other aero bodywork).

[Wouter]

I just didn't know...so I had my doudts but ok ...

you said "The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",as if it were on the racetrack."

I presumed for that to be relevant that the car inthe other room need to be a match for the 2022 car?

The car running on the AVL test bench in the adjacent room is the real new RB18, probably the 1st or 2nd version.
That depends on how far they are with testing and adjustments/updates.

A) You are assuming that the car is ready because Max is in the simulator… They don’t need to have the car ready for Max to use the simulator (if that’s why he is there).

B) Even if Max is using the simulator and they are using the AVL test bench, they don’t need a complete car to do so… They only the mechanical portion of the car… If as rumored, they have had issues passing the crash tests, they could run the AVL without a nose cone for example (or any other aero bodywork).

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Ok, I'll write what you'd like to hear. Max was in the simulator yesterday, without the original RB18 running on the test bench,
because he didn't pass the nose crash test right away.
Oh, and of course the RB18 isn't ready for the testing days in Barcelona in 12 days either, as they are behind schedule.
Is it better this way?

[SmallSoldier]

The car running on the AVL test bench in the adjacent room is the real new RB18, probably the 1st or 2nd version.
That depends on how far they are with testing and adjustments/updates.

A) You are assuming that the car is ready because Max is in the simulator… They don’t need to have the car ready for Max to use the simulator (if that’s why he is there).

B) Even if Max is using the simulator and they are using the AVL test bench, they don’t need a complete car to do so… They only the mechanical portion of the car… If as rumored, they have had issues passing the crash tests, they could run the AVL without a nose cone for example (or any other aero bodywork).

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Ok, I'll write what you'd like to hear. Max was in the simulator yesterday, without the original RB18 running on the test bench,
because he didn't pass the nose crash test right away.
Oh, and of course the RB18 isn't ready for the testing days in Barcelona in 12 days either, as they are behind schedule.
Is it better this way?

Not really… Nobody is asking you to write anything really… Just pointing out that what you are bringing to the discussion as “fact” that the car is ready, in reality has nothing to do with it.

I don’t know (nor do I care) if the car is ready or not… And knowing the capability of RBR, even if they are behind, they will have a car ready… But the point you made to “prove” that the car is ready, is simply invalid.

[diffuser]

I just didn't know...so I had my doudts but ok ...

you said "The driver sits in the simulator, and in an adjacent room the car drives on rollers, complete with engine, transmission and "tires",as if it were on the racetrack."

I presumed for that to be relevant that the car inthe other room need to be a match for the 2022 car?

The car running on the AVL test bench in the adjacent room is the real new RB18, probably the 1st or 2nd version.
That depends on how far they are with testing and adjustments/updates.

That was what my reference was to ..if they haven't finished the RB18, not sure how he'd be testing it.

[Henri]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/104358/m ... rdles.html

Wonder what are the problems?

[AeroDynamic]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/104358/m ... rdles.html

Wonder what are the problems?

Red Bull went all in on the '21 championship, they fought with both hands free. They might be a bit taxed from that effort. Their rivals chose to fight with one arm with a smaller profile of aerodynamic in-season development and more resources allocated to '22 ahead of time. Come March-April we will see what they all got.