McLaren MCL36

[SmallSoldier]

Do teams tend to evolve an early season, highly adjustable suspension concept into more of a lighter weight, but fixed setting system later into the season as they learn the setup window?

Which parts do you think would evolve?

I remember when the team was working on the POU and made some changes to how the upper wishbone connected to the wheel hub and they had some “prototype” parts… And there were some weight savings in the final iteration of the solutions, but I would expect most parts of the suspension to be close to final form (when it comes to weight) on the car that will be in testing.

[SmallSoldier]

https://i.iscr.ru/2022/02/16/MCL36-P2.png

The curvature of the mirrors seem to match the curvature of the wing… Wow!

[Ground Effect]

Well, Ferrari has gone for a similar concept. So that lifts some of the doubts over this decision. Now if Mercedes and RedBull have gone for something similar it would certainly be very reassuring

Has this been confirmed?

[Hoffman900]

Well, Ferrari has gone for a similar concept. So that lifts some of the doubts over this decision. Now if Mercedes and RedBull have gone for something similar it would certainly be very reassuring

Has this been confirmed?

It hasn’t.

[Emag]

Well, Ferrari has gone for a similar concept. So that lifts some of the doubts over this decision. Now if Mercedes and RedBull have gone for something similar it would certainly be very reassuring

Has this been confirmed?

Pretty much confirmed I would say. Highly unlikely that its not.

Just a couple of hours to wait anyway.

[FittingMechanics]

If I’m in interpreting Key’s comments correctly, there is a considerable difference between the suspension geometries and it isn’t just due to aero benefits (like Newey using pull rod to help airflow in the diffuser)… This was a change driven by the expected performance gain from the suspension itself, to the point that aero has been accommodated to the change and not the other way around.

Agreed. We can't reconcile the fact that Key sees the change as risky but with high potential and idea that the change doesn't really matter either way. If it didn't show promise McLaren would not change suspension and introduce all that risk.

I am sure from a theoretical standpoint of a suspension, it doesn't really matter, but obviously Key feels it is an important change for the performance of the car, probably due to the aero concept they are using. So far it seems McLaren is quite lonely in their changes but we've yet to see Red Bull and Mercedes.

At the end, I am happy they are trying something. It will be disappointing if it ends up backfiring but I'd rather we tried instead of holding steady in midfield.

[SmallSoldier]

If I’m in interpreting Key’s comments correctly, there is a considerable difference between the suspension geometries and it isn’t just due to aero benefits (like Newey using pull rod to help airflow in the diffuser)… This was a change driven by the expected performance gain from the suspension itself, to the point that aero has been accommodated to the change and not the other way around.

Agreed. We can't reconcile the fact that Key sees the change as risky but with high potential and idea that the change doesn't really matter either way. If it didn't show promise McLaren would not change suspension and introduce all that risk.

I am sure from a theoretical standpoint of a suspension, it doesn't really matter, but obviously Key feels it is an important change for the performance of the car, probably due to the aero concept they are using. So far it seems McLaren is quite lonely in their changes but we've yet to see Red Bull and Mercedes.

At the end, I am happy they are trying something. It will be disappointing if it ends up backfiring but I'd rather we tried instead of holding steady in midfield.

Whole heartedly agree with the last statement… If there was a time to take some risks, it’s now! It is an statement of intent to go back to the front! (Let’s hope it works!)

[f1rules]

from the unboxed video, i know its difficult to make to much from them, but there is actually a decent amount of rake if you dont get fooled by the cover hanging over the side floor. Would fit their outwash fw design and front sidepod design, so the flow they "give up" on with smaller diffuser inlets they try and claw back with rake and maybe getting a stronger frontend with the center spoon shape and those millimeters closer to the ground

[Hoffman900]

from the unboxed video, i know its difficult to make to much from them, but there is actually a decent amount of rake if you dont get fooled by the cover hanging over the side floor. Would fit their outwash fw design and front sidepod design, so the flow they "give up" on with smaller diffuser inlets they try and claw back with rake and maybe getting a stronger frontend with the center spoon shape and those millimeters closer to the ground

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLvv8qPXoAg ... name=large

It probably doesn’t have fuel in it plus a number of things. I wouldn’t read into it much.

[Nicktendo86]

Yep, quite a lot of rake. Look how close the tea tray is to the floor!

[Zynerji]

Do teams tend to evolve an early season, highly adjustable suspension concept into more of a lighter weight, but fixed setting system later into the season as they learn the setup window?

Which parts do you think would evolve?

I remember when the team was working on the POU and made some changes to how the upper wishbone connected to the wheel hub and they had some “prototype” parts… And there were some weight savings in the final iteration of the solutions, but I would expect most parts of the suspension to be close to final form (when it comes to weight) on the car that will be in testing.

Im thinking small things that are adjustable. Like if they find the perfect camber-curve, the adjustable areas of those systems get designed as fixed units, reducing complexity and weight...

[SmallSoldier]

Do teams tend to evolve an early season, highly adjustable suspension concept into more of a lighter weight, but fixed setting system later into the season as they learn the setup window?

Which parts do you think would evolve?

I remember when the team was working on the POU and made some changes to how the upper wishbone connected to the wheel hub and they had some “prototype” parts… And there were some weight savings in the final iteration of the solutions, but I would expect most parts of the suspension to be close to final form (when it comes to weight) on the car that will be in testing.

Im thinking small things that are adjustable. Like if they find the perfect camber-curve, the adjustable areas of those systems get designed as fixed units, reducing complexity and weight...

I would love to answer it, but I’m afraid I’m clueless in that regard

[f1rules]

found this im not even sure, instagram story? seem to be the real fw

[SmallSoldier]

found this im not even sure, instagram story? seem to be the real fw
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLwHXcrXsAI ... me=900x900

https://i.imgur.com/z7XY4ai.jpg

Different angle, but I believe it is the same one from the launch

[f1rules]

it is from the launch but compltely different to the renders
its this one