McLaren MCL36

[Marc.W]

I guess is because of his track record? This is his take at the MCL35, calling it “disappointing”

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-and ... ppointing/

That was the car that finished 3rd that season… He was also not very complimentary of the MCL34 either (which finished 4th), can’t post the article because it is under a paywall.

But yes, he allows his bias towards a team to cloud his analysis of such team… If you had a great season, your next car will be great (Mercedes, Red Bull), if you are coming from a drought you are disappoint (McLaren, Ferrari).

He really doesn’t say “why” either… He has a simple exit line and that is that he was “expecting more”, he won’t say what he was expecting… But I could have bet you a not insignificant amount of money that he was going to be amazed by Mercedes and Red Bull and disappointed with McLaren and Ferrari even before a single car was launched.

He praised the MP4-28 on launch as well lol

Is there a link? I would love a laugh… I called him out on twitter once and Matt Bishop blocked me… I wasn’t rude at all, simply stated what I have here and how they don’t ever write an article later saying “I was wrong on that one”

Praising the MP4-28 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/formula1/21283726

The "hidden gems" of the MCL33 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/ Pay-wall but jist in title

"Looks like it could put McLaren back where it should be near the front of the field." on the MP4-29 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/

[SmallSoldier]

He praised the MP4-28 on launch as well lol

Is there a link? I would love a laugh… I called him out on twitter once and Matt Bishop blocked me… I wasn’t rude at all, simply stated what I have here and how they don’t ever write an article later saying “I was wrong on that one”

Praising the MP4-28 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/formula1/21283726

The "hidden gems" of the MCL33 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/ Pay-wall but jist in title

"Looks like it could put McLaren back where it should be near the front of the field." on the MP4-29 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/

Thank you! Really appreciated

[LM10]

If you're so confident that Gary Anderson is wrong how about you explain why?

His points appear perfectly valid but over to you to refute them.

I guess is because of his track record? This is his take at the MCL35, calling it “disappointing”

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-and ... ppointing/

That was the car that finished 3rd that season… He was also not very complimentary of the MCL34 either (which finished 4th), can’t post the article because it is under a paywall.

But yes, he allows his bias towards a team to cloud his analysis of such team… If you had a great season, your next car will be great (Mercedes, Red Bull), if you are coming from a drought you are disappoint (McLaren, Ferrari).

He really doesn’t say “why” either… He has a simple exit line and that is that he was “expecting more”, he won’t say what he was expecting… But I could have bet you a not insignificant amount of money that he was going to be amazed by Mercedes and Red Bull and disappointed with McLaren and Ferrari even before a single car was launched.

He praised the MP4-28 on launch as well lol

As well as the Ferrari SF90 in 2019. Way into the season after it was crystal clear that Ferrari had a car which was unable to win races due to lack of downforce, he insisted on the car not being in the window or understood by the team yet.

[Marc.W]

He really doesn’t say “why” either… He has a simple exit line and that is that he was “expecting more”, he won’t say what he was expecting… But I could have bet you a not insignificant amount of money that he was going to be amazed by Mercedes and Red Bull and disappointed with McLaren and Ferrari even before a single car was launched.

Completely agree. It's all very transparent. Even in testing, he (and others) usually ignore the data, high fuel runs and race sims and focus on their gut feeling. Most teams that finished well last year will be predicted to be good next year, except if they are showing amazing amount of problems. I'm quite confident that if you painted any car Mercedes or Red Bull colors and showed him that he would find it good.

Btw it's quite telling that Kyle Engineers (who was a aerodynamicist working for Mercedes F1) in his analysis never really talks about performance, he is very clear that he cannot see if something is fast or not, that can't be understood without running simulations. Aero is very sensitive and can be counter intuitive plus you can't really tell which is better. Kyle explains concepts and ideas he sees, but never really talks about whether a car looks fast or not.

Gary Anderson is from an old school of F1 where they designed things on a sheet of paper and by gut feeling.


Btw I'd recommend Kyle Engineers as a channel to watch, I find him much more technical and interesting than other technical pundits (Scarbs for example).

Found Kyle's channel the other day and already hooked on his content, I believe it was the Ferrari video where he said "If someone tells you a car is fast just by looking at it they're lying to you"

[Nicktendo86]

He praised the MP4-28 on launch as well lol

Is there a link? I would love a laugh… I called him out on twitter once and Matt Bishop blocked me… I wasn’t rude at all, simply stated what I have here and how they don’t ever write an article later saying “I was wrong on that one”

Praising the MP4-28 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/formula1/21283726

The "hidden gems" of the MCL33 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/ Pay-wall but jist in title

"Looks like it could put McLaren back where it should be near the front of the field." on the MP4-29 - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f ... 9/5110589/

Thanks for the links!

[Mansell89]

Gary Anderson has had a pop at our rear suspension, saying he can’t see the benefits of it as it raises centre of gravity and clutters up the upper gearbox area.

He’s also saying Mercedes car is how he would be how he would have approached these regs if still involved in F1.

That’s actually good news isn’t it?

If you're so confident that Gary Anderson is wrong how about you explain why?

His points appear perfectly valid but over to you to refute them.

So it’s called a sense of humour mate.

You know- a light hearted, harmless chuckle about how Gary has, in recent seasons, normally got it a bit wrong.

Not every post on here need dissect technicalities

[Stu]

He really doesn’t say “why” either… He has a simple exit line and that is that he was “expecting more”, he won’t say what he was expecting… But I could have bet you a not insignificant amount of money that he was going to be amazed by Mercedes and Red Bull and disappointed with McLaren and Ferrari even before a single car was launched.

Completely agree. It's all very transparent. Even in testing, he (and others) usually ignore the data, high fuel runs and race sims and focus on their gut feeling. Most teams that finished well last year will be predicted to be good next year, except if they are showing amazing amount of problems. I'm quite confident that if you painted any car Mercedes or Red Bull colors and showed him that he would find it good.

Btw it's quite telling that Kyle Engineers (who was a aerodynamicist working for Mercedes F1) in his analysis never really talks about performance, he is very clear that he cannot see if something is fast or not, that can't be understood without running simulations. Aero is very sensitive and can be counter intuitive plus you can't really tell which is better. Kyle explains concepts and ideas he sees, but never really talks about whether a car looks fast or not.

Gary Anderson is from an old school of F1 where they designed things on a sheet of paper and by gut feeling.


Btw I'd recommend Kyle Engineers as a channel to watch, I find him much more technical and interesting than other technical pundits (Scarbs for example).

And just to put the boot in….
Other than the 191, most Jordan’s of his era went for *ahem* ‘underweight with a whiff of fuel’ glory runs during testing, but rarely showed significant pace during the season.

[f1rules]

Daniel arrived early today in barcelona, race team mechanics friday, can we hope for maybe a shakedown tomorrow? Fabrega mentioned on the 21. But if a shakedown requires a full dismantle to examine all parts and then have to reasemple everything for wednesday morning, maybe sunday would make more sense?

[Emag]

Daniel arrived early today in barcelona, race team mechanics friday, can we hope for maybe a shakedown tomorrow? Fabrega mentioned on the 21. But if a shakedown requires a full dismantle to examine all parts and then have to reasemple everything for wednesday morning, maybe sunday would make more sense?

Surely we would have had some sort of feedback from the team if that was the case?

[SmallSoldier]

It’s striking how far forward the new sidepod inlets are compared to the MCL35M (and previous cars), you can tell comparing with the base of the halo, with how much forward the sidepods are, you have to assume that radiators and other ancillaries have been moved towards the new space created with the forward sidepods, which should have had an impact not only on the volume required at the back (making it slimmer)… It also shows how much space has been gained from moving from Pull Rod to Push Rod in the rear based on the position of the rod itself in the previous cars:



Editing since originally I thought they could have moved COG forward, but learned that weight distribution is heavily regulated in the rules.

[Henri]

Wonder if the car will suit daniel more now.. since he struggled with the old car
?

[FittingMechanics]

Daniel arrived early today in barcelona, race team mechanics friday, can we hope for maybe a shakedown tomorrow? Fabrega mentioned on the 21. But if a shakedown requires a full dismantle to examine all parts and then have to reasemple everything for wednesday morning, maybe sunday would make more sense?

Some other teams are doing the shakedown on 22nd. I'm sure they will be fine and thus, McLaren as well with their shakedown on 21st.

[CjC]

It’s striking how far forward the new sidepod inlets are compared to the MCL35M (and previous cars), you can tell comparing with the base of the halo, with how much forward the sidepods are, you have to assume that radiators and other ancillaries have been moved towards the new space created with the forward sidepods, which should have had an impact not only on the volume required at the back (making it slimmer), but also moving the COG forward more towards the center of the car… It also shows how much space has been gained from moving from Pull Rod to Push Rod in the rear based on the position of the rod itself in the previous cars:

https://i.imgur.com/67QmU81.jpg

Interesting.
If your theory is correct moving the COG forward could harm the exceptional launches Mclaren sort of became renowned for last season and also the good traction characteristic.
However it could improve front rotation for the slow corners which have been an Achilles heel for Mclaren over the last few seasons?

[SmallSoldier]

It’s striking how far forward the new sidepod inlets are compared to the MCL35M (and previous cars), you can tell comparing with the base of the halo, with how much forward the sidepods are, you have to assume that radiators and other ancillaries have been moved towards the new space created with the forward sidepods, which should have had an impact not only on the volume required at the back (making it slimmer), but also moving the COG forward more towards the center of the car… It also shows how much space has been gained from moving from Pull Rod to Push Rod in the rear based on the position of the rod itself in the previous cars:

https://i.imgur.com/67QmU81.jpg

Interesting.
If your theory is correct moving the COG forward could harm the exceptional launches Mclaren sort of became renowned for last season and also the good traction characteristic.
However it could improve front rotation for the slow corners which have been an Achilles heel for Mclaren over the last few seasons?

I’m sure the team is taken that into consideration and trying to bring the best possible balance… I don’t think that moving COG forward would hamper the car’s acceleration, that’s more related to weight transfer and mechanical grip than where the weight resides passively

[Mchamilton]

It’s striking how far forward the new sidepod inlets are compared to the MCL35M (and previous cars), you can tell comparing with the base of the halo, with how much forward the sidepods are, you have to assume that radiators and other ancillaries have been moved towards the new space created with the forward sidepods, which should have had an impact not only on the volume required at the back (making it slimmer), but also moving the COG forward more towards the center of the car… It also shows how much space has been gained from moving from Pull Rod to Push Rod in the rear based on the position of the rod itself in the previous cars:

https://i.imgur.com/67QmU81.jpg

Interesting.
If your theory is correct moving the COG forward could harm the exceptional launches Mclaren sort of became renowned for last season and also the good traction characteristic.
However it could improve front rotation for the slow corners which have been an Achilles heel for Mclaren over the last few seasons?

I’m sure the team is taken that into consideration and trying to bring the best possible balance… I don’t think that moving COG forward would hamper the car’s acceleration, that’s more related to weight transfer and mechanical grip than where the weight resides passively

It definitely has a lot to do with actual weight distribution. Simply look at how a 911 launches compared to basically anhthing else.