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This is huge news…

https://the-race.com/category/formula-1/
The new ‘show-and-tell’ display that Formula 1 teams will be obliged to take part in this season will include public car presentations before practice and after qualifying.
Teams will have to declare, show & explain all major aerodynamic and bodywork components and assemblies to the media :o

… has that not just stolen our joy of doing this ourselves :lol:

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RicerDude
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Very interesting. Either teams will lie about the intentions of their upgrades *cough* Redbull ‘driver cooling’, or it could potentially reduce the delta between teams.
I think it sounds like a positive move. Get the fans more interested in the technical aspect of the sport. There seems to be a bit too much of an obsession over the colour of the paintwork rather than the bodywork and mechanical components beneath it, especially during this years car reveals.

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I'm convinced we won't get reality from teams or anything other than the Jake Boxhall-Legge school of airflow analysis. It'll be, "we have this new part, it manages the air around the car"
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jjn9128 wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 16:13
I'm convinced we won't get reality from teams or anything other than the Jake Boxhall-Legge school of airflow analysis. It'll be, "we have this new part, it manages the air around the car"
Yes I suspect the tell part Maybe no more than them pointing it out, but this does mean an end to teams hiding Parts of the car from the cameras and other teams
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I Hate This... :x :x

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jjn9128 wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 16:13
I'm convinced we won't get reality from teams or anything other than the Jake Boxhall-Legge school of airflow analysis. It'll be, "we have this new part, it manages the air around the car"
Are you insulting jake or complementing him lol ?

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Henri wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 19:48
jjn9128 wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 16:13
I'm convinced we won't get reality from teams or anything other than the Jake Boxhall-Legge school of airflow analysis. It'll be, "we have this new part, it manages the air around the car"
Are you insulting jake or complementing him lol ?
Best left unsaid.
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I proposed exactly this, but mine was way better and monetizable...

This concept is a failure outside of a self-balancing system...

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Will cars be selected at random or will all cars with upgrades have to present? It's an overall positive direction, but I agree that the fun of finding the upgrades will be taken out of it somewhat.
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All the cars have to be available for an hour before FP1, within a 90 minute window, and after qualifying one, randomly selected by the race director, car from 5 teams available for half an hour. All new aero and mechanical parts have to be declared.

New parts are defined as not run in any previous official session.
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19.2 .....
b) Each Competitor must make both of its cars available outside their designated
garage area for the pre-Event Automobile Display for a period of up to one (1) hour,
which will commence no later than one hour and 30 minutes prior to the start of
P1.
i) Each car must be nominally complete and fitted with all major aerodynamic
and bodywork components that are intended to be used when the car leaves
the pit lane for the first time in P1.
ii) During this period, each car must be positioned as determined by the Race
Director and one (1) car may be used for pit-stop practice.
iii) Exceptions to the pre-Event Automobile Display will be permitted with prior
written approval of the Race Director.
c).....
d)......
e) Commencing thirty (30) minutes after the end of the qualifying practice session, for
a period of up to one (1) hour, one (1) car from five (5) different Competitors (as
specified by the Race Director and Technical Delegate) must be made available
for the post-qualifying Automobile display. Each car must be positioned as
determined by the Race Director. During this period a senior technical or sporting
representative of the Competitor must be available for a period of at least 10
minutes to describe to the media all major aerodynamic and bodywork component
updates made to their car following the pre-Event Automobile Display.
From the new sporting regulations for 2022
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -02-18.pdf
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nevill3 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 17:44
19.2 .....
b) Each Competitor must make both of its cars available outside their designated
garage area for the pre-Event Automobile Display for a period of up to one (1) hour,
which will commence no later than one hour and 30 minutes prior to the start of
P1.
i) Each car must be nominally complete and fitted with all major aerodynamic
and bodywork components that are intended to be used when the car leaves
the pit lane for the first time in P1.
ii) During this period, each car must be positioned as determined by the Race
Director and one (1) car may be used for pit-stop practice.
iii) Exceptions to the pre-Event Automobile Display will be permitted with prior
written approval of the Race Director.
c).....
d)......
e) Commencing thirty (30) minutes after the end of the qualifying practice session, for
a period of up to one (1) hour, one (1) car from five (5) different Competitors (as
specified by the Race Director and Technical Delegate) must be made available
for the post-qualifying Automobile display. Each car must be positioned as
determined by the Race Director. During this period a senior technical or sporting
representative of the Competitor must be available for a period of at least 10
minutes to describe to the media all major aerodynamic and bodywork component
updates made to their car following the pre-Event Automobile Display.
From the new sporting regulations for 2022
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -02-18.pdf
So basically come friday afternoon we'll all be reading about, and looking at pictures of every teams latest upgrades

I guess we will have something to discuss at least

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In theory a team could introduce an upgrade during free practice that has not been declared and remove it before qualifying. having evaluated it for future use

The following race they could add back that upgrade without declaring it because it has been run previously
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nevill3 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 18:25
In theory a team could introduce an upgrade during free practice that has not been declared and remove it before qualifying. having evaluated it for future use

The following race they could add back that upgrade without declaring it because it has been run previously
Doesn't it say teams have to declare upgrade 23 hours in advance of FP1...? I don't think will be that simple to get round

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19.1 Day before on track running first practice
a) Each Competitor must provide a summary document to the Media Delegate listing
the name and brief description of all major aerodynamic and bodywork
components and assemblies
that have not been run at a previous Event or TCC
and are intended to be run at the Event (requirements and format as defined by
the Media Delegate, in conjunction with the Commercial Rights Holder). This
summary document must be provided no later than twenty-three (23) hours prior
to the start of P1.
i) The contents of this document will remain with the FIA and the Commercial
Rights Holder and will not be provided to the media until the start of the preEvent Automobile Display.
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