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RBR has a floor delivered. Maybe a new floor? or a spare.
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AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:34
RBR has a floor delivered. Maybe a new floor? or a spare.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWvAgUXEAA ... name=large
10:32
"Red Bull is bringing a new floor into the garage."

Alex Kalinauckas

From autosport live. Says new floor

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organic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:38
AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:34
RBR has a floor delivered. Maybe a new floor? or a spare.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWvAgUXEAA ... name=large
10:32
"Red Bull is bringing a new floor into the garage."

Alex Kalinauckas

From autosport live. Says new floor
yeah looks like number of parts actually
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AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 11:34
ojir19 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 11:32
mysterious bodywork panel (under ORA)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 875435.jpg
its not my area but.. is that some sort of material they use to hide something underneath? that's the impression I get about that material being there. IT looks like its sealed over the body work more than it is 'a part' of it.

if so, what could they be hiding there?

regarding this earlier discussion, a user on twitter created this. and I was thinking along similar lines. how feasible is this?

note: not real. just a user drawing an idea of what the material might be hiding beneath
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basti313 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:32
Snelbaard wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 11:38
Can't it just be some kind of fibre composit material (perhaps akin to forged carbon) that would be easier and quicker for them to make prototype panels out of?
I do not find pictures right from the start of the test. But maybe this already happend at the shakedown:
To me it looks like this is simply fiber glass repair material. Looking at the crack on the left side, it may be that the area was bending inwards, thus cracking the panel on the mounts near the "L".

To me it looks like they simply put the fiber glass at this spot to avoid any further bending/cracking.,

Even if it would be some special material...nothing speaks against painting it black or getting it black.
Seems to be a reasonable assumption to me. If you look closely, this fiber glass like material actually overlaps the paint a bit under the Oracle text. Just a couple of cm's, but it seems to be put in place after the paint job. So that could indicate a repair job.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:40

regarding this earlier discussion, a user on twitter created this. and I was thinking along similar lines. how feasible is this?

note: not real. just a user drawing an idea of what the material might be hiding beneath
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWnyd_aUAY ... name=large
It looks like it could hurt outwash badly.
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AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:40

regarding this earlier discussion, a user on twitter created this. and I was thinking along similar lines. how feasible is this?

note: not real. just a user drawing an idea of what the material might be hiding beneath
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWnyd_aUAY ... name=large
:arrow: :arrow: viewtopic.php?p=1036666#p1036666

that is possible .....here is my theory ..... if you have a grid type panel (think of honeycomb) , and adding a hydrophobic layer (and some treatment off course), then you'll have a solid panel ...... just like making a model aircraft wing from balsa wood covered with paper.

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ojir19 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 13:32
AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:40

regarding this earlier discussion, a user on twitter created this. and I was thinking along similar lines. how feasible is this?

note: not real. just a user drawing an idea of what the material might be hiding beneath
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWnyd_aUAY ... name=large
:arrow: :arrow: viewtopic.php?p=1036666#p1036666

that is possible .....here is my theory ..... if you have a grid type panel (think of honeycomb) , and adding a hydrophobic layer (and some treatment off course), then you'll have a solid panel ...... just like making a model aircraft wing from balsa wood covered with paper.

https://i.postimg.cc/NGXrYGbf/RB18-side ... 022ccc.jpg
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your thought on it.

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Hi, I'm reading this with great interest. My thanks to all for obtaining and sharing all these pictures.

I made an account just to chip in on the fibre panels in the undercut. To me it looks like nomex. Carbon is terrible at absorbing impact. Any debris on track, but also gravel could easily find its way at very high speed into the undercut. Its unusually blunt face can easily damage any panell there and panel damage might have a cascading effect. You can still race with some bargeboard damage, but if a puncure in this panel stops the airflow in your radiator, you are out of the race. My immediate assumption was an impact resistant laminate and i feel the conjecture here might overlook the (for me) obvious

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AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 13:44
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I've been waiting for an image like this! They have a very rounded splitter, if you can even call it a splitter anymore, and basically no tea tray.

I wonder if this is a packaging solution, or a clever way to improve the flow of air in to the venturi tunnels.

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west52keep64 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 14:00
I've been waiting for an image like this! They have a very rounded splitter, if you can even call it a splitter anymore, and basically no tea tray.

I wonder if this is a packaging solution, or a clever way to improve the flow of air in to the venturi tunnels.
I think this may be a result of the ban on the aero surfaces in front of the splitter. Previously, the flow was already conditioned by all the flips and strakes on the way to the splitter, now it has to cope with the flow coming at different angles in the yaw conditions.

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Henk_v wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 13:54
Hi, I'm reading this with great interest. My thanks to all for obtaining and sharing all these pictures.

I made an account just to chip in on the fibre panels in the undercut. To me it looks like nomex. Carbon is terrible at absorbing impact. Any debris on track, but also gravel could easily find its way at very high speed into the undercut. Its unusually blunt face can easily damage any panell there and panel damage might have a cascading effect. You can still race with some bargeboard damage, but if a puncure in this panel stops the airflow in your radiator, you are out of the race. My immediate assumption was an impact resistant laminate and i feel the conjecture here might overlook the (for me) obvious
Reckon you’re spot on. It’s either that or just used as a temp repair.

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Ah, nice picture. Already seen it yesterday in a video, but now it's even more clear. Unique solution from RBR here.

AeroDynamic wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 12:34
RBR has a floor delivered. Maybe a new floor? or a spare.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWvAgUXEAA ... name=large
I think it's a new one. My assumption was that pretty much every team will bolt on new parts every day during testing.

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Sky Sports F1 - A look at the turning vanes at the tunnel entrance of the Red Bull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1luGugiPD5w&t=570s

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Giando wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 11:40
ojir19 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 11:32
mysterious bodywork panel (under ORA)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 875435.jpg


At 3:58 Fabiano Vandone suggests it could be a 'textile/fabric' type of material, allowing some air to pass through...

It seems incredibly bizarre to me but ehi! you never know.

What do you think?
Pervious material is not allowed because, then, how small would a hole have to be, to not be a considered a hole?
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f1rules wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 09:38
firstly the rb18 is a very nice agressive looking car! but the hysteria surrounding a newey car is completely insane, everything is radical... well the AT is more or less the same give or take details and offcourse suspension,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMWGxPLXIAg ... name=large
When I first saw this design, I assumed they were trying to divert as much air as possible to the top of the diffuser to help suck out the air from the diffuser.

But from that shot above, if you follow the line where the bodywork meets the floor, the air that goes over the top of the tunnel entrances actually end up at the side wall of the diffuser, not the top of it.

Very odd. Are they trying to 'seal' the diffuser with that air flow maybe?