2022 Winter Testing Part 1: Barcelona 23 - 25th February

[dans79]

Combining best times from 3 sectors of different laps is naive to say, theoretically, this would have been the best time.

Apparently you didn't read my post very closely, as you seemed to have missed this part.

It would be interesting to see the sector times from his fastest lap, so they could be compared to his fastest sectors.

Over the years I've been following F1, I've heard commentators compare actual laps to theoretical laps numerous times, and I think i've seen some info graphics as well.

One of the reasons it's been done is to try and estimate how drivable the car is, how well it's set-up, and how well it suits the drivers "style". When everything is working well, and in harmony the driver is able to consistently drive the car at the limit, and when it isn't they can't.

Abu Dhabi 2021 Qualifying theoretical best laps using every sector form every qualifying session, vs actual best.

Ver - (1:22.098) 1:22.109 +0.011
Ham - (1:22.412) 122.480 +0.068

compared to

Per - (1:22.719) 1:22.947 +0.228
Bot - (1:22.881) 1:23.036 +0.155

Edit: Here is an official F1 article from 2020 where they compare not only sectors, but mini sectors as well.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... mtVte.html

[JPBD1990]

Interesting to compare best 2nd and 3rd sectors in particular IMO.

Anyone that has watched F1 for a decent amount of time would tell you, it's how a driver decides to use tyres for each sectors on different laps. On one lap, you could drive harder in S1 and set that as your faster time and agree to let go S3 or save in S1 and use it in S3. Combining best times from 3 sectors of different laps is naive to say, theoretically, this would have been the best time. Sandbagging? Yeah, everyone is holding back and doesn't want to show which is no brainer. RB and Ferrari didn't even choose to go to C4 or C5. Make whatever of that.

Ferrari used C4 to the best of my knowledge.

Second, what is the value of this statement? ‘Anyone that has watched F1 for a decent amount of time will tell you xxxx’? We’re comparing whatever data is available, with all the usual caveats that apply to testing. Do I need to point out that you’re commenting in a testing thread? What do you want us to discuss? We know, we know. It’s all meaningless, but we’re all still here.

I’ve been watching F1 for 17 years, which is more than 50% of the time I’ve been alive. I know it’s not 5000 years like the only ‘real’ F1 fans, but don’t talk down to people as if your subjective point of view is any more or less valuable than anyone else’s subjective point of view. We’re all here to discuss the same thing.

[Ryar]

Speed trap numbers from 3 days. Ferrari and customer teams have shown the highest trap numbers followed by Honda and Mercedes.





Speed trap numbers from last year's spanish qualifying.



Difference in speed trap numbers.

[Ryar]

Anyone that has watched F1 for a decent amount of time would tell you, it's how a driver decides to use tyres for each sectors on different laps. On one lap, you could drive harder in S1 and set that as your faster time and agree to let go S3 or save in S1 and use it in S3. Combining best times from 3 sectors of different laps is naive to say, theoretically, this would have been the best time. Sandbagging? Yeah, everyone is holding back and doesn't want to show which is no brainer. RB and Ferrari didn't even choose to go to C4 or C5. Make whatever of that.

Ferrari used C4 to the best of my knowledge.

Second, what is the value of this statement? ‘Anyone that has watched F1 for a decent amount of time will tell you xxxx’? We’re comparing whatever data is available, with all the usual caveats that apply to testing. Do I need to point out that you’re commenting in a testing thread? What do you want us to discuss? We know, we know. It’s all meaningless, but we’re all still here.

I’ve been watching F1 for 17 years, which is more than 50% of the time I’ve been alive. I know it’s not 5000 years like the only ‘real’ F1 fans, but don’t talk down to people as if your subjective point of view is any more or less valuable than anyone else’s subjective point of view. We’re all here to discuss the same thing.

Ferrari didn't use C4 or C5 for any of their fastest times.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... -barcelona

Different sector times would have been achieved via different compromises. So to take best sector times from different laps to stich and make a "theoritical" best lap time is useless. It doesn't reflect the true possibility of the car.

[Big Tea]

Interesting to compare best 2nd and 3rd sectors in particular IMO.

What I personally found interesting, was that Hamilton's theoretical fastest lap was 0.509 seconds faster than his actual best lap,none of the other front runners had that kind of delta. That could mean Merc is sandbagging, or the car is a mess/handfull!

It would be interesting to see the sector times from his fastest lap, so they could be compared to his fastest sectors.

It may be due to trying different lines in the corners. A poor first sector to get the approach to the second sector, or a poor 3rd sector due to getting the best exit from the second sector.

Getting the gain may well be so costly to previous or following sectors and total lap time it would never actually be used. Good spot though

[NathanOlder]

Interesting to compare best 2nd and 3rd sectors in particular IMO.

What I personally found interesting, was that Hamilton's theoretical fastest lap was 0.509 seconds faster than his actual best lap,none of the other front runners had that kind of delta. That could mean Merc is sandbagging, or the car is a mess/handfull!

It would be interesting to see the sector times from his fastest lap, so they could be compared to his fastest sectors.

From what I understood on the AMuS live ticker was that Hamilton set a 1.19.141 on the C4. Then Later did the 1.19.138 on the C5 but that C5 run he lost half a second in S3 which points towards a mistake in the final chicane and then completed the lap. The temps were not hot so I would expect that the tyres were fine and not used up in S1 & S2 like ryar suggests. It was simply a mistake. If he hooked the lap up , I would expect the S3 time to be the sector that the C5 tyres had more advantage so if I read the live ticker correct, then I would expect the S3 to be 3+ tenths faster than what he did on the C4's and that would bring the lap time down to a 1.18.3xx.

Bahrain can't come soon enough.

[bauc]

Good point

[taperoo2k]

To drive up interest in F1 and get those all important social media driven clicks.

[NathanOlder]

Well if Bahrain paid any money for the deal they had, they blew their money haha

[dans79]

From what I understood on the AMuS live ticker was that Hamilton set a 1.19.141 on the C4. Then Later did the 1.19.138 on the C5 but that C5 run he lost half a second in S3 which points towards a mistake in the final chicane and then completed the lap.

Interesting, I was able to find this from Autosport.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live-text/ ... 3/1112991/

11:00 It looked as thought Hamilton was going to end the session with another fastest lap - but he backed off massively! What a tease...

[JPower]

Good point

https://scontent.fskp4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=6220D2EB

Who said it was supposed to be super secret? They just said it wouldn't be on TV.

[dren]

From what I understood on the AMuS live ticker was that Hamilton set a 1.19.141 on the C4. Then Later did the 1.19.138 on the C5 but that C5 run he lost half a second in S3 which points towards a mistake in the final chicane and then completed the lap.

Interesting, I was able to find this from Autosport.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live-text/ ... 3/1112991/

11:00 It looked as thought Hamilton was going to end the session with another fastest lap - but he backed off massively! What a tease...

I heard he had to brake for a corner since he didn't want to drive into the wall.

[Big Tea]

Well if Bahrain paid any money for the deal they had, they blew their money haha

It probably does not matter to them. They just get the headline. Its all about how important they appear, not the actuality

[LM10]

From FIA sources, #AMuS heard that they [the FIA] can already see from the CAD data for the legality check of the upgrades, that some teams are bringing upgrades [to Bahrain] that do not quite correspond to the spirit of the regulations.

via tami. on Twitter.

[Ryar]

From FIA sources, #AMuS heard that they [the FIA] can already see from the CAD data for the legality check of the upgrades, that some teams are bringing upgrades [to Bahrain] that do not quite correspond to the spirit of the regulations.

via tami. on Twitter.

If FIA thinks the upgrades violate the spirt of the regulations, wouldn't they let the teams know? Are teams unaware until now about FIA's stand regarding the upgrades? Are the teams adamant that they will fight it out with FIA and hence, bringing the upgrades regardless? Interesting situation if this is really true.