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[kenshi_blind]

I would say Hamilton is more than entitled to question the integrity of the Sport with what happened in AD.... Horner was just bullshitting as usual... the two actions are not on the same level

[chrisc90]

I think Hamilton tells the truth and is genuine. Horner is the most widely known hocus-pocus peddler in the paddock. The FIA probably weren't in the mood for his nonsense.

I guess you 'could' look at it that way. But why treat one differently to the other? If anyone wants to question the integrity of the sport and those running it, they should both be punished?

no, because Horner lied on the Marshall and a lot more people than Hamilton, are questioning the FIA and Masi after last season. The structural changes speak to it. Has any other team, driver, or personal besides Horner, collectively called into question the marshalling?

Maybe not the marshalling (of which the volunteers do an epic job), but there are other areas that can be called into question. In effect, the comments about that do come under the same Article 12.2.1 f,k. I cant see why/how you can decide who gets wrong for the comments they have made.

I would say Hamilton is more than entitled to question the integrity of the Sport with what happened in AD.... Horner was just bullshitting as usual... the two actions are not on the same level

Why though? if one can question a marshall and get punished...they why can one question the race director/fia and not get punished?

Little off tangent with that....but hopefully the FIA decide to punish Lewis for not turning up. Otherwise you can then get others questioning the decisions for not punishing for following the sporting codes.

[dans79]

But Hamilton is allowed to question the integrity of the FIA, admitting he's lost faith in them, and gets away with it?
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton ... fter-2021/

I'd be willing to bet he chose his words very carefully, or even ran them past the team Lawers/PR specialists. He claimed no misdeeds on the part of any official, just that he "lost a little bit of faith within the system".

[AeroDynamic]

I guess you 'could' look at it that way. But why treat one differently to the other? If anyone wants to question the integrity of the sport and those running it, they should both be punished?

no, because Horner lied on the Marshall and a lot more people than Hamilton, are questioning the FIA and Masi after last season. The structural changes speak to it. Has any other team, driver, or personal besides Horner, collectively called into question the marshalling?

Maybe not the marshalling (of which the volunteers do an epic job), but there are other areas that can be called into question. In effect, the comments about that do come under the same Article 12.2.1 f,k. I cant see why/how you can decide who gets wrong for the comments they have made.

I would say Hamilton is more than entitled to question the integrity of the Sport with what happened in AD.... Horner was just bullshitting as usual... the two actions are not on the same level

Why though? if one can question a marshall and get punished...they why can one question the race director/fia and not get punished?

Little off tangent with that....but hopefully the FIA decide to punish Lewis for not turning up. Otherwise you can then get others questioning the decisions for not punishing for following the sporting codes.

I'm not the FIA, so I cannot speak for how they discern what is crossing the line. I just know that Marko accused the FIA of being biased towards Mercedes and I don't think he got in any trouble. Something about calling the Marshall 'rogue' was really unprofessional.

[cooken]

It's very simple. Horner singled out and criticized an individual, including a false accusation. Hamilton made a mostly introspective remark about a governing body. He insulted nobody. Horner insulted an individual.

How these two are being conflated is.....well typically daft I guess.

[ringo]

Its interesting you mentioned that.... Horner got into trouble for criticising the marshalls about a 'rougue flag that went out' Got into trouble.

But Hamilton is allowed to question the integrity of the FIA, admitting he's lost faith in them, and gets away with it?
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton ... fter-2021/

Certainly be interesting to see what the come up with. What are the sanctions for breaking the sporting code around Prize giving?

I think Hamilton tells the truth and is genuine. Horner is the most widely known hocus-pocus peddler in the paddock. The FIA probably weren't in the mood for his nonsense.

I guess you 'could' look at it that way. But why treat one differently to the other? If anyone wants to question the integrity of the sport and those running it, they should both be punished?

Ummm one was robbed. He had a right not go to the Ceremony. I would not. Going would mean you have accepted injustice. He was standing up for what was right. Also in some way it was beneficial for Max and the FIA that Hamilton did not go to the ceremony.

[ringo]

I guess you 'could' look at it that way. But why treat one differently to the other? If anyone wants to question the integrity of the sport and those running it, they should both be punished?

no, because Horner lied on the Marshall and a lot more people than Hamilton, are questioning the FIA and Masi after last season. The structural changes speak to it. Has any other team, driver, or personal besides Horner, collectively called into question the marshalling?

Maybe not the marshalling (of which the volunteers do an epic job), but there are other areas that can be called into question. In effect, the comments about that do come under the same Article 12.2.1 f,k. I cant see why/how you can decide who gets wrong for the comments they have made.

I would say Hamilton is more than entitled to question the integrity of the Sport with what happened in AD.... Horner was just bullshitting as usual... the two actions are not on the same level

Why though? if one can question a marshall and get punished...they why can one question the race director/fia and not get punished?



Little off tangent with that....but hopefully the FIA decide to punish Lewis for not turning up. Otherwise you can then get others questioning the decisions for not punishing for following the sporting codes.

You seem to be thirsting for some misfortune for Hamilton.
The Masi report is what everyone is waiting on, on March 18th.

[cheeRS]

Lewis teammate smart! Lewis dumb! Here we go again!

Is Russell more professional at his age? I'm 100% sure. We won't see Twitter dramas set up by him, he won't post telemetrical data online. If Lewis started his career in 2018, at Russell's age, would he made a PowerPoint presentation for Toto? Once more time - I doubt it.

You're rating a pure opinion (professionalism) with a definite value (100%). You must either be 12 years old and as naive as a puppy or are just... ill informed at best.

[Big Tea]

I think the FIA would prefer Hamilton to not attend in protest rather than give a speech outlying his feelings on the proceedings. They probably see it as best option al round

[PlatinumZealot]

Lewis teammate smart! Lewis dumb! Here we go again!

Did anyone said, that Bottas/Button/Rosberg (alphabetical order) was overall smarter/better driver than LH? I doubt it.

I have to stop you right there. Yes! Where have you been?!

These disstateful comparisons were not as severe with his Finish teammates for some reason though. More likely because Finnish drivers tend to be less adversarial, And seem not to get riled by team politics so not much story for the media to sell.

It has grown boring for me but It will happen again with George and Lewis. It's just low hanging fruit for the tabloids.

[dans79]

Bottas on hamilton
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/997033/1/ ... -f1-driver

“I had a great five years with Lewis as his team-mate, and now actually thinking about it, it was an honour,” Bottas said. “Like, he’s a living legend!

“And he’s a great guy and great driver. Really fast. He definitely made me work hard to try and beat him.

“Sometimes I could, but on a season average, I couldn’t. So that’s how it goes.

“You always meet, eventually, someone who’s better than you and you need to accept it.

"And I’m fine with it. I’m happy that sometimes when I was at my best that I could beat him.

“But we came a long way. We achieved so much together, so many 1-2 results. Five constructors’ championships together.

“I learned from him about life and about racing, and maybe vice versa as well. So, it was a really good time with him.”

And Bottas has warned rival drivers to “beware” Hamilton’s determination as he bids to bounce back and win a record-breaking eighth crown this season.

“After everything that happened at the end of last year, you’ll see,” Bottas added.

“He’s going to be pretty strong and he’s going to have the fire inside him – so, beware!

[wogx]

You must either be 12 years old and as naive as a puppy or are just... ill informed at best.

Ad hominem/responding to tone is a weak rhetorical strategy, mate. It shows that you don't agree with my words, but you don't have a counterargument to defend your opinion.

So you really think that Russell in 2018 was less proffesional than Hamilton in 2005 or 2007?

[dans79]

You must either be 12 years old and as naive as a puppy or are just... ill informed at best.

Ad hominem is a weak rhetorical strategy, mate. It shows that you don't agree with my words, but you don't have a counterargument to defend your opinion.

So you really think that Russell in 2018 was less proffesional than Hamilton in 2005 or 2007?

I do, for example in france 2019 he was so overzealous to overtake his handicapped and obviously inferior teammate, that he lost the car and ended up taking out a foam brake point marker. He was lucky to getaway with little to no damage.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 58001.html


Safety car dnf imola 2020, and race dnf 2021, were also two examples of over exuberance to prove himself!


And if you want to look only at 2018, Monaco was a bad weekend full of unforced errors.

[SiLo]

You must either be 12 years old and as naive as a puppy or are just... ill informed at best.

Ad hominem/responding to tone is a weak rhetorical strategy, mate. It shows that you don't agree with my words, but you don't have a counterargument to defend your opinion.

So you really think that Russell in 2018 was less proffesional than Hamilton in 2005 or 2007?

Hamilton almost winning the title in his rookie season, and absolutely ruffling the feathers of a 2 time world champion should tell you all you need to know.

Just to clarify, I disagree with the notion that Hamilton was not professional in 2007.

[Gillian]

Comparing Russell and Hamilton in his early career? Didn't Russel take out Bottas and then have a mental breakdown not that long ago? I've never seen Hamilton do anything like that in his career... You could criticize some things Hamilton has done but he's been as professional as you can expect from a driver. Look at what went down in his rookie year yet he almost got the title...