FIA Thread

[Big Tea]

Rather than turn this into an extension of the locked Abu Dhabi race thread and previous feelings, wouldn't it be nice if people actually discussed the changes being made by the FIA? The speculation and arguments threads are out of hand.


I'm still a bit perplexed about having two race directors rotating myself. Find a single one and if needed rotate the assistants as needed IMHO. I'll have to wait to see the full details of the SC and restart changes, but if they can get things moving quicker while still safe and have a set standard procedure I'll roll with it I suspect.

Track limits is really something I think needs to be a black and white thing. It seems allowing exceptions track to track just creates confusion and more room for error. They wouldn't be over the lines if it didn't provide some lasting benefit if you ask me. I can't see why they have avoided this simple fix for years. With potentially more access to quick video review, it should be easy.

I also see it as strange to have alternating directors. If it was team of 3 and one rotated out leaving 2 to supervise, I could understand it, as it would be preparing a replacement if needed. Just a sole director this week may not think the same way as the director of last week, which now everyone sees the decisions of, and act appropriately.
It still does not cover the 'one person making a a decision in isolation' problem.

[izzy]

I also see it as strange to have alternating directors. If it was team of 3 and one rotated out leaving 2 to supervise, I could understand it, as it would be preparing a replacement if needed. Just a sole director this week may not think the same way as the director of last week, which now everyone sees the decisions of, and act appropriately.
It still does not cover the 'one person making a a decision in isolation' problem.

Although discussing what happened in Abu Dhabi might seem pointless now, what FIA have done since has to be seen in the light of what FIA themselves did there.

Cos although MM was clearly too weak a personality to be Race Director, which we could see already, his initial decision in Abu Dhabi at the end was spot on, until he changed it 4 minutes later.

Since then the FIA Head of Single seaters has lied about it, the FIA Stewards lied about what 15.3 means and completely failed to do the job they were there for, as a backstop to correct mistakes, and all the media have obviously been told not to mention the glaringly obvious fact that the race WAS going to finish under green with the lapped cars in place and that was exactly WHY Masi was leaving them there, to save a lap of SC legally!

So once we tune in to this, we know whatever FIA do is not going to be genuine, as the 'problem' was them or F1 telling MM to do what he did. Two race directors being a fake solution as you're explaining so clearly. How they and the stewards are selected is the real problem and that's not changing.

[Just_a_fan]

Horner doing his usual bit of politics, accusing Mercedes of being bullies. Which is a very strong accusation, especially from someone who himself was pressuring the very same people to ban a competitor and also to not follow the rules relating to safety cars in order to change a race outcome (yes, others were also applying pressure but they aren't accusing him of being a bully).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

[dans79]

Horner doing his usual bit of politics, accusing Mercedes of being bullies.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't know the definition of the word!

[Big Tea]

Horner doing his usual bit of politics, accusing Mercedes of being bullies. Which is a very strong accusation, especially from someone who himself was pressuring the very same people to ban a competitor and also to not follow the rules relating to safety cars in order to change a race outcome (yes, others were also applying pressure but they aren't accusing him of being a bully).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

I liked the remark about not braking the rules, just applying them in a way they have not been before.

[Just_a_fan]

Horner doing his usual bit of politics, accusing Mercedes of being bullies. Which is a very strong accusation, especially from someone who himself was pressuring the very same people to ban a competitor and also to not follow the rules relating to safety cars in order to change a race outcome (yes, others were also applying pressure but they aren't accusing him of being a bully).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

I liked the remark about not braking the rules, just applying them in a way they have not been before.

The man has no sense of irony, obviously. That issue was the one that riled so many people.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Rather than turn this into an extension of the locked Abu Dhabi race thread and previous feelings, wouldn't it be nice if people actually discussed the changes being made by the FIA? The speculation and arguments threads are out of hand.


I'm still a bit perplexed about having two race directors rotating myself. Find a single one and if needed rotate the assistants as needed IMHO. I'll have to wait to see the full details of the SC and restart changes, but if they can get things moving quicker while still safe and have a set standard procedure I'll roll with it I suspect.

Track limits is really something I think needs to be a black and white thing. It seems allowing exceptions track to track just creates confusion and more room for error. They wouldn't be over the lines if it didn't provide some lasting benefit if you ask me. I can't see why they have avoided this simple fix for years. With potentially more access to quick video review, it should be easy.

I also see it as strange to have alternating directors. If it was team of 3 and one rotated out leaving 2 to supervise, I could understand it, as it would be preparing a replacement if needed. Just a sole director this week may not think the same way as the director of last week, which now everyone sees the decisions of, and act appropriately.
It still does not cover the 'one person making a a decision in isolation' problem.

I like the idea of the team of 3 and one rotating. Could be a good idea to have the person that is rotated in is someone who would have good and extensive knowledge of the track that the race is currently held at, even better at an F1 level. This could help determine arguments of where cases of overtaking/ defending were within the rules.

[shamyakovic]

Horner doing his usual bit of politics, accusing Mercedes of being bullies. Which is a very strong accusation, especially from someone who himself was pressuring the very same people to ban a competitor and also to not follow the rules relating to safety cars in order to change a race outcome (yes, others were also applying pressure but they aren't accusing him of being a bully).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

I liked the remark about not braking the rules, just applying them in a way they have not been before.

The man has no sense of irony, obviously. That issue was the one that riled so many people.

I am starting to think that he has no integrity.
He is just says all sorts of things to the media and his blind followers on social media take it up for his words and spread hatred everywhere.. this is what happened in silverstone 2021. The TV commentators don't dare to challenge him (only Button challenged him in Qatar and he was asked to keep quite by others). Its bad for the image of redbull and f1

[Wouter]

He [Horner] is just says all sorts of things to the media and his blind followers on social media take it up for his words
and spread hatred everywhere.

.

Hmm, that looks very familiar to me! All that hatred towards Masi and Latifi. Which people were those again? I forgot.

[hollus]

Cut throwing out mild insults and all the BS. A full page of it has poofed away.
And remember that this is in international forum, not everyone is familiar with your local cultural references and not everything that would be an insult in your area is an insult elsewhere.

But heck, you came here to talk F1, not to fight each other for the fun of it.

[Airshifter]

Rather than turn this into an extension of the locked Abu Dhabi race thread and previous feelings, wouldn't it be nice if people actually discussed the changes being made by the FIA? The speculation and arguments threads are out of hand.


I'm still a bit perplexed about having two race directors rotating myself. Find a single one and if needed rotate the assistants as needed IMHO. I'll have to wait to see the full details of the SC and restart changes, but if they can get things moving quicker while still safe and have a set standard procedure I'll roll with it I suspect.

Track limits is really something I think needs to be a black and white thing. It seems allowing exceptions track to track just creates confusion and more room for error. They wouldn't be over the lines if it didn't provide some lasting benefit if you ask me. I can't see why they have avoided this simple fix for years. With potentially more access to quick video review, it should be easy.

I also see it as strange to have alternating directors. If it was team of 3 and one rotated out leaving 2 to supervise, I could understand it, as it would be preparing a replacement if needed. Just a sole director this week may not think the same way as the director of last week, which now everyone sees the decisions of, and act appropriately.
It still does not cover the 'one person making a a decision in isolation' problem.

I like the idea of the team of 3 and one rotating. Could be a good idea to have the person that is rotated in is someone who would have good and extensive knowledge of the track that the race is currently held at, even better at an F1 level. This could help determine arguments of where cases of overtaking/ defending were within the rules.

I just hope they all work well together and the decisions are more consistent than usual the last few years.

As for track limits I hope they are just that and not subject to change race to race.

[izzy]

Anyone else notice Pat Symonds in his pitlane interview with Ted saying FIA did an aero study analysing the infamous Copse collision between Max and Lewis last year? He basically said (not quite directly) that they found the side wake from Max's car was so big it took a lot of downforce away from Lewis' car and that would have caused Lewis' understeer.

So they found this, that's good, but then they haven't published it, which is too typical. They could have put the record straight and stopped Red Bull going on about it, but it's more important to them to cover for their mates the stewards (who should have known this already if you ask me).

This is a little insight into FIA culture. Pat Symonds is basically a good guy, but FIA is an institution that looks after itself first and does its duty second. A lot of institutions are like this of course, but

[shamyakovic]

Anyone else notice Pat Symonds in his pitlane interview with Ted saying FIA did an aero study analysing the infamous Copse collision between Max and Lewis last year? He basically said (not quite directly) that they found the side wake from Max's car was so big it took a lot of downforce away from Lewis' car and that would have caused Lewis' understeer.

It also took away downforce from both cars, that's what he was saying.
And he didn't say that was the reason for Lewis to understeer.. he just mentioned that side by side there was dirty air effecting cars. That's it

[TimW]

Anyone else notice Pat Symonds in his pitlane interview with Ted saying FIA did an aero study analysing the infamous Copse collision between Max and Lewis last year? He basically said (not quite directly) that they found the side wake from Max's car was so big it took a lot of downforce away from Lewis' car and that would have caused Lewis' understeer.

It also took away downforce from both cars, that's what he was saying.
And he didn't say that was the reason for Lewis to understeer.. he just mentioned that side by side there was dirty air effecting cars. That's it

Which I am sure both (all) drivers are perfectly aware of, they did not need a FIA aero study for that.

[shamyakovic]

Anyone else notice Pat Symonds in his pitlane interview with Ted saying FIA did an aero study analysing the infamous Copse collision between Max and Lewis last year? He basically said (not quite directly) that they found the side wake from Max's car was so big it took a lot of downforce away from Lewis' car and that would have caused Lewis' understeer.

It also took away downforce from both cars, that's what he was saying.
And he didn't say that was the reason for Lewis to understeer.. he just mentioned that side by side there was dirty air effecting cars. That's it

Which I am sure both (all) drivers are perfectly aware of, they did not need a FIA aero study for that.

Exactly