2022 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Mchamilton]

How about this chat happened in December......


Team : "Ok, we'll drop it, despite knowing we have a very strong case, on the condition you guarantee us that the W13 will be legal in what we have shown you so far"

FIA : "What choice do we have, hmmm, ok deal"

You really think thats plausible? How about simply that it meets the rules and its a clever (looking, at least) design

I seriously doubt it, but with how screwed up the FIA have been of late, why not. Ferrari did a deal behind closed doors with the FIA when they were caught doing something they shouldn't have, so it shows the FIA are happy to make deals in private, this just leaves the door open for something to happen.

Just wild guessing though.

Thats is 2 completely different scenarios. The ferrari engine deal could happen because no other team had 100% hard facts of what they were doing at the time. What mercedes has done clearly couldnt be any more visible.

[Just_a_fan]

You really think thats plausible? How about simply that it meets the rules and its a clever (looking, at least) design

I seriously doubt it, but with how screwed up the FIA have been of late, why not. Ferrari did a deal behind closed doors with the FIA when they were caught doing something they shouldn't have, so it shows the FIA are happy to make deals in private, this just leaves the door open for something to happen.

Just wild guessing though.

Thats is 2 completely different scenarios. The ferrari engine deal could happen because no other team had 100% hard facts of what they were doing at the time. What mercedes has done clearly couldnt be any more visible.

What Ferrari did was illegal. What Mercedes is doing isn't.

[NathanOlder]

You really think thats plausible? How about simply that it meets the rules and its a clever (looking, at least) design

I seriously doubt it, but with how screwed up the FIA have been of late, why not. Ferrari did a deal behind closed doors with the FIA when they were caught doing something they shouldn't have, so it shows the FIA are happy to make deals in private, this just leaves the door open for something to happen.

Just wild guessing though.

Thats is 2 completely different scenarios. The ferrari engine deal could happen because no other team had 100% hard facts of what they were doing at the time. What mercedes has done clearly couldnt be any more visible.

I know its 2 completely different scenario's, my point was the FIA can, and have made deals with teams behind closed doors. That was all.

[Mchamilton]

I seriously doubt it, but with how screwed up the FIA have been of late, why not. Ferrari did a deal behind closed doors with the FIA when they were caught doing something they shouldn't have, so it shows the FIA are happy to make deals in private, this just leaves the door open for something to happen.

Just wild guessing though.

Thats is 2 completely different scenarios. The ferrari engine deal could happen because no other team had 100% hard facts of what they were doing at the time. What mercedes has done clearly couldnt be any more visible.

What Ferrari did was illegal. What Mercedes is doing isn't.

And that lol

[variante]

What Ferrari did was illegal. What Mercedes is doing isn't.

How do you know it was illegal if the details were never disclosed? As far as we know, it was a matter of interpreting one grey area of the regulations, similarly to Mercedes' case.

[dans79]

What Ferrari did was illegal. What Mercedes is doing isn't.

How do you know it was illegal if the details were never disclosed? As far as we know, it was a matter of interpreting one grey area of the regulations, similarly to Mercedes' case.

Because if they hadn't been doing something illegal, they never would have agreed to a deal that gimped them for 2 years.

[Just_a_fan]

What Ferrari did was illegal. What Mercedes is doing isn't.

How do you know it was illegal if the details were never disclosed? As far as we know, it was a matter of interpreting one grey area of the regulations, similarly to Mercedes' case.

History. We watched them go from pace setters to also rans in the course of a few weeks after the FIA decided to investigate their PU.

Oh, and the FIA's statement at the time included this:

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times.

Not operating within the limits of the regulations means "illegal".

[variante]

History. We watched them go from pace setters to also rans in the course of a few weeks after the FIA decided to investigate their PU.

Because if they hadn't been doing something illegal, they never would have agreed to a deal that gimped them for 2 years.

In the history of F1, many solutions were allowed to be raced a few times until someone finally made up his mind and declared them undesirable (not illegal) for being against the spirit of the rules, or something like that. It could be argued that such was the case for Ferrari's engine.
It goes without saying that the involved teams lost performance after those bans...

Oh, and the FIA's statement at the time included this:

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times.

Not operating within the limits of the regulations means "illegal".

And "suspicion" means "the act or an instance of suspecting something wrong without proof or on slight evidence".

[Just_a_fan]

And "suspicion" means "the act or an instance of suspecting something wrong without proof or on slight evidence".

You can play semantic games all you like, but the reality is that whatever Ferrari were doing they were made to stop doing and then their performance deteriorated significantly.

The FIA's statement was as close to saying "they're cheating" as the lawyers would allow them to go. No doubt Ferrari threatened a lot of horrible court stuff in order to get the result they got - Ferrari have way more money than the FIA does and would tie up the FIA with legal challenges. So a political outcome was the result.

[zibby43]

Scarbs thinks Merc will be on the front row in Bahrain.

[rickybobbyf1]

Scarbs thinks Merc will be on the front row in Bahrain.

https://youtu.be/9HQ3KP2wGWE

I could only wish. I really hope they find a fix.

[Big Tea]

Scarbs thinks Merc will be on the front row in Bahrain.

https://youtu.be/9HQ3KP2wGWE

Some interesting stuff in that, thanks. Scarbs did not seem reluctant to put his cards on the table either

[Sulman]

Scarbs thinks Merc will be on the front row in Bahrain.

https://youtu.be/9HQ3KP2wGWE

I could only wish. I really hope they find a fix.

Have faith. They know what they're doing.

[Henri]

I trust merc

[shamyakovic]

Scarbs thinks Merc will be on the front row in Bahrain.

https://youtu.be/9HQ3KP2wGWE

He also said the same thing we said few pages ago about Pat Symonds and that Merc won't be happy that he said about some inside knowledge of the intercooler