FIA Thread

[NathanOlder]

Lie? just cause you don't like what they say, doesn't make them liers.

They said Masi based on the regulations had to do another lap of safety car.
They also said that Masi not allowing all the cars to unlap themselves was human error.
No requirement by the rules to finish under green.

Teams makes decisions based on what are the expected interpretation of the rules. They know how many laps it takes to clean up an accident. So teams make pitting choices based on that.

You haven't honestly addressed the point, I can't help noticing. Explain what finishing under green has to do with it

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

and it was about to finish under green , and stay within the regulations, then Masi threw his job away by doing what he did. What everyone wanted was about to happen. But RedBull wanted more and they got it wrapped with a bow and a cherry on top .

[chrisc90]

You haven't honestly addressed the point, I can't help noticing. Explain what finishing under green has to do with it

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

and it was about to finish under green , and stay within the regulations, then Masi threw his job away by doing what he did. What everyone wanted was about to happen. But RedBull wanted more and they got it wrapped with a bow and a cherry on top .

It wasnt? It would still have been under yellow under the final SC line where it pulled into the pits to allow the cars to get the nice photo as they go over the grid and not behind the SC

[izzy]

Lie? just cause you don't like what they say, doesn't make them liers.

They said Masi based on the regulations had to do another lap of safety car.
They also said that Masi not allowing all the cars to unlap themselves was human error.
No requirement by the rules to finish under green.

Teams makes decisions based on what are the expected interpretation of the rules. They know how many laps it takes to clean up an accident. So teams make pitting choices based on that.

You haven't honestly addressed the point, I can't help noticing. Explain what finishing under green has to do with it

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

[chrisc90]

You haven't honestly addressed the point, I can't help noticing. Explain what finishing under green has to do with it

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

Well if you let all cars unlap themselves, or any car, the should still have been a lap under the SC where the grid was all on the same lap before the SC pulled in. IE the rule, the SC will pit the following lap. (or words to that effect)

[toraabe]

They should have red flagged it. No tyre change rolling start 5 lap to finish.

[NathanOlder]

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

and it was about to finish under green , and stay within the regulations, then Masi threw his job away by doing what he did. What everyone wanted was about to happen. But RedBull wanted more and they got it wrapped with a bow and a cherry on top .

It wasnt? It would still have been under yellow under the final SC line where it pulled into the pits to allow the cars to get the nice photo as they go over the grid and not behind the SC

No, it was going to resume on the same lap but with the lapped cars in the way. It was due to finish under green and within the regs.

[chrisc90]

and it was about to finish under green , and stay within the regulations, then Masi threw his job away by doing what he did. What everyone wanted was about to happen. But RedBull wanted more and they got it wrapped with a bow and a cherry on top .

It wasnt? It would still have been under yellow under the final SC line where it pulled into the pits to allow the cars to get the nice photo as they go over the grid and not behind the SC

No, it was going to resume on the same lap but with the lapped cars in the way. It was due to finish under green and within the regs.

That is one outcome.

My comments were the other.

[izzy]

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

Well if you let all cars unlap themselves, or any car, the should still have been a lap under the SC where the grid was all on the same lap before the SC pulled in. IE the rule, the SC will pit the following lap. (or words to that effect)

Yes so, why do you think MM first issued the notice "Lapped cars will not be allowed to unlap themselves" ?

[chrisc90]

Irrespective which way you look at it, one decision would have meant a differing outcome, or multiple ones.

As toto said. Its the 2022 season now!

[izzy]

Irrespective which way you look at it, one decision would have meant a differing outcome, or multiple ones.

As toto said. Its the 2022 season now!

The sport is still governed by the people who've issued this dishonest report pretending it was about getting a green flag finish.

[diffuser]

You haven't honestly addressed the point, I can't help noticing. Explain what finishing under green has to do with it

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

Finishing under green doesn't take priority over changing the rule on having all the cars unlap themselves. Mercedes choose not to change their tires based on the amount of time they expected the unlapping would take.

[izzy]

It was in all teams best interest to finish under green flag. Paragraph 32. Desirable to finish under a green flag/racing conditions if safety allowed. Was it safe to race? Yes. Was it the desired ending for all teams to finish under a green flag? Yes.

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

Finishing under green doesn't take priority over changing the rule on having all the cars unlap themselves. Mercedes choose not to change their tires based on the amount of time they expected the unlapping would take.

Still can't answer a straight question with a straight answer I see

[diffuser]

Okay, so when were they NOT going to finish under green?

Finishing under green doesn't take priority over changing the rule on having all the cars unlap themselves. Mercedes choose not to change their tires based on the amount of time they expected the unlapping would take.

Still can't answer a straight question with a straight answer I see

Not sure I understand the question. As it was there was 1 lap of Green. 1 extra lap under the safety car mean we finish under the safety car.

[izzy]

Finishing under green doesn't take priority over changing the rule on having all the cars unlap themselves. Mercedes choose not to change their tires based on the amount of time they expected the unlapping would take.

Still can't answer a straight question with a straight answer I see

Not sure I understand the question. As it was there was 1 lap of Green. 1 extra lap under the safety car mean we finish under the safety car.

If he didn't unlap the cars, it could finish under green, when it did, but legally. That was his plan, obviously. So my question is: at what point was finishing under green in doubt? So just say when it was NOT going to finish under green. Simple!

Or, admit it was always going to, and FIA are being dishonest with us about it.

[Big Tea]

They should have red flagged it. No tyre change rolling start 5 lap to finish.

But that is not the rule (Is it?)
If the race is red flagged, cars return to the pit and tyre change is allowed.

This would have been my preference.