2022 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[silver]

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

Did you watch the F1 live timing?

Yes. I can post a screeshot
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/235 ... d7626f.jpg

Hamilton got tow from Russell.



As a reference, here are top speeds for other cars.

[Watto]

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

That proves nothing really.

Not saying it does prove anything just curious looking at Bahrain last season 4 Merc teams in the top 10 . and I get its only quali in round 1 just I guess its wondering if its the car, engine or both

[shamyakovic]

Did you watch the F1 live timing?

Yes. I can post a screeshot
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/235 ... d7626f.jpg

Hamilton got tow from Russell.
https://i.ibb.co/nw5BV93/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WvGLsyr/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg

As a reference, here are top speeds for other cars.
https://i.ibb.co/q593JtK/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/pn2n5c7/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GnTcsY6/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg

So like I said they were on par with ferraris in s1 and s3.
And like u posted above Toto said they are running a lot of drag.
So I don't see how this correlates to engine issue

[shamyakovic]

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

That proves nothing really.

Not saying it does prove anything just curious looking at Bahrain last season 4 Merc teams in the top 10 . and I get its only quali in round 1 just I guess its wondering if its the car, engine or both

We need wait few races into the season to find out

[shamyakovic]

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

That proves nothing really.

It doesn't prove anything thing, but it is also not possible that McLaren, Aston and Williams forgot how to make a car capable of Q3 while Haas and Alfa suddenly learnt how to do that exactly.

Mclaren brake issues
AM struggling since testing
Williams are not know to be running p1 and p2 in the last 4 years

So I wouldn't jump to conclusions..

[Marty_Y]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

[silver]

Yes. I can post a screeshot
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/235 ... d7626f.jpg

Hamilton got tow from Russell.
https://i.ibb.co/nw5BV93/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WvGLsyr/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg

As a reference, here are top speeds for other cars.
https://i.ibb.co/q593JtK/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/pn2n5c7/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GnTcsY6/Screenshot-202 ... d8fcd2.jpg

So like I said they were on par with ferraris in s1 and s3.
And like u posted above Toto said they are running a lot of drag.
So I don't see how this correlates to engine issue

Sector speeds can come while carrying downforce, but top speed is a reflection of both engine power and the level of drag being carried. Also, the customer cars are all longing behind on the same parameter. Look deeper and you will find the issue.

[shamyakovic]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

What has happened is they raised their floor and deal with porpoising...this has led to loss in downforce so they went for higher wing levels and increased drag.. hence they are not setting top speeds.
There is more time to be gained in the slow corners.. they have gone all out to claw it back with drag, hence the top speed is lower

[Marty_Y]

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

What has happened is they raised their floor and deal with porpoising...this has led to loss in downforce so they went for higher wing levels and increased drag.. hence they are not setting top speeds.
There is more time to be gained in the slow corners.. they have gone all out to claw it back with drag, hence the top speed is lower

Thanks, I think it's still losing time because it's difficult to drive as well in addition to reasons you listed, I quoted Lewis earlier in the thread saying "it was a nightmare to drive"

I know it looks bad at the moment but I truly believe there is much more to come from the W13 when the porpoising issue is resolved.

[Jozsusz]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

[shamyakovic]

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

I was surprised that with all the compromises they were just 0.5 behind ferrari. However that in qualifying, but in the race it can swing either way. That's the same gap they had to redbull in 2021 Bahrain

[Jozsusz]

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

I was surprised that with all the compromises they were just 0.5 behind ferrari. However that in qualifying, but in the race it can swing either way

I said to myself, if they're only 5 tenths behind, this car can be a destroyer when everything is sorted out.
Question is when they can do it, they'd need to sort out the problems in the first 4 races.

[Dee]

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

I was surprised that with all the compromises they were just 0.5 behind ferrari. However that in qualifying, but in the race it can swing either way. That's the same gap they had to redbull in 2021 Bahrain

Ham was 0.4 off Max in Bahrain and made a mistake that lost him 0.3, so there was only 0.1 between the top drivers

[Jozsusz]

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

I was surprised that with all the compromises they were just 0.5 behind ferrari. However that in qualifying, but in the race it can swing either way. That's the same gap they had to redbull in 2021 Bahrain

Ham was 0.4 off Max in Bahrain and made a mistake that lost him 0.3, so there was only 0.1 between the top drivers

Based on each driver's best sectors, Ham is only 4 tenths off.
That's actually pretty good.

[Big Tea]

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Thanks for pointing that out, it didn't notice that Lewis's time was 2 tenths slower than his best in Q2.

5 tenths may seem like nothing to find if they'd compromised performance to ensure that the car would be drivable for the race.

They need to solve the porpoising without losing performance as soon as possible.

I think 5 tenths is managable.
Today's car is full of compromises, I'm sure once they'll sort it out, it'll be quick.

It depends on if it is cumulative. 5 tenths every lap puts it nowhere, if it is only 5 tenths on hard push laps it could even out