2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Nicktendo86]

If you lot are gonna write mclaren off after one quali session then your very very stupid.
This car is most likely a top 3 competing car but clearly needs tinkering bringing a “bodge” brake solution to finish the race is obviously going to affect performance and airflow on that region this will take a few races to fix but people need to be patient this is a 23 race season and your crying after one quali session the pecking order we see now maybe completely different come Abu Dhabi
Stop getting over your heads

There is zero evidence to support that the car is anywhere near the level of the top three. None whatsoever.

[Darth-Piekus]

Even if what Haza says is true. How can you put a car so far back in the top 3 with just a fix and an update. After Barcelona the car was nowhere near not only the top 3 but the top 7.

[taperoo2k]

Landos remark of the final position was interesting to me. They expected it, so the question is are the brakes to blame or something else went wrong. Hopefully Daniel gets himself back to form quickly, he probably still feels covid effects.

Was it some mistake during the design like it happened on 2018?

I would say the modification of brakes are the reason. Hopefully they manage to get on top of it. To be honest the car is bulky looking to my eyes and i hope this is not the other reason.

It's likely the brakes that have caused the problem, they didn't get to complete their full testing programme so they are playing catch up with other teams. If the race pace is good tomorrow, then we'll know the fundamentals of the car are in a good place, save the brakes. It might take a few races for McLaren to get upto speed. It's just the way things go in F1 sometimes, a small problem can have a lot of knock on effects. I'll be happy if both cars finish the race at least and maybe score some points.

[JDC123]

Glory hunting plastic fans everywhere, what a state this thread is in. Please do stop watching, It'll stop my eyes bleeding from reading this tripe.

Clearly disappointed, team is on the back foot and will take some time to get up to speed. Car is looking better on race pace, so let's see tomorrow where we lie on that front.

Couldn't agree more, I said the same after reading some of the comments. Anyone who claims they are stopping watching and unsubscribing from social media channels after one qualifying session are utterly pathetic and in no way a fan of McLaren or F1.

This forum has quickly become like a facebook comment section, full of people spewing utter garbage with zero 'technical' insight.

[Ground Effect]

Christ every comment you put on this forum is bloody painful. It was only a few days ago and at testing you was lauding James Key now it’s get rid of him. Could you be any more flippant? Do you think or even read before you spew your cr*p on here?

I have him blocked for a looong time. It’s unreadable, specially in a technical forum.

After this week I think I need to ignore more users. If you all want to cheer for a F1 team like in football, go do that on Twitter.

Can I buy you a beer?

[Darth-Piekus]

Still in shock I must say and no amount of beer can change that.

[JordanMugen]

It's just sad because I know what McLaren was like when it was actually McLaren. Whatever the fu*k this team has become, it is not McLaren.

What do you mean, which McLaren? Bruce McLaren's team, Teddy Mayer's team, Ron Dennis' Project Four team or this Zak Brown team? Zak Brown's version had showed continual improvement up to 2021, so it's a bit harsh to say they are not McLaren and on the wrong path.

Guys, this is nothing to do with McLaren. The Merc engine is crap vs Ferrari and RBR. Russell P9? The problem is that engines are already homologated until 2026!

McLaren made their own decision to use Mercedes instead of Renault. It looks like the Ferrari, RBPT (Honda), and Renault units could be the stronger ones, and the Mercedes the weakest one for this 2022-2025 homologation period.

I think McLaren took a three-year-contract, so they could sign again with Renault for 2024 if they wish?

[Darth-Piekus]

It's just sad because I know what McLaren was like when it was actually McLaren. Whatever the fu*k this team has become, it is not McLaren.

What do you mean, which McLaren? Bruce McLaren's team, Ron Dennis' Project Four team or this Zak Brown team? Zak Brown's version had showed continual improvement up to 2021, so it's a bit harsh to say they are not McLaren and on the wrong path.

Actually Bruce Mclaren's team and Ron Dennis's Mclaren team did get all the titles. Zak Brown's version hasn't goten any yet but the worst thing is that they went massively backwards and unless there is a problem that by fixing will put them again in the top 3 I have a fear that they will need again years to catch up.

[lh13]

It was Zak Brown who got McLaren to where it got last year, from the disappointments of 2013-2018, so cut him some slack.

[JordanMugen]

It was Zak Brown who got McLaren to where it got last year, from the disappointments of 2013-2018, so cut him some slack.

Agreed, Brown and Seidl are good operators.

I rate Pat Fry highly myself, who is now at Alpine but did a good job of fixing many of the problems with the 2018 McLaren.

[Emag]

I guess we got too used to the upwards trajectory. Even standing still in terms of relative performance would have felt disappointing.

Going backwards is rough.

[Darth-Piekus]

You have to understand that some fans of Mclaren will feel frustrated and you can't criticise them for stating their frustration.
1)The team was performing well and each year was getting closer and closer to the top.
2)They were building a long time a good technical team that would give them the chance to be title contenders at some point.
3)They started also to build new infrastructure that would work for that target also but the old one shouldn't be that far behind.
4)They promised more wins this year and started very early for 2022 having more Wing Tunnel time than the first 3.
5)There was a budget cap so the first 3 could not outbudget Mclaren.

Considering all these I had very high hopes that they would take another step in the right direction. However that didn't happen. They took a massive dive to the bottom and everyone is wondering what the hell happened? Where did it go wrong? Is the car perhaps top 3 quality but a fundamendal problem forbids it from showing? All I want is not wait for another 3 years to perhaps reach a victory. We don't need to go backwards again.

[SmallSoldier]

Top Speeds for Qualy:

11 PER 323
2 VER 322
3 ALO 321
4 OCO 320
5 LAT 319
6 SCH 318
7 MAG 318
8 TSU 318
9 GAS 317
10 ALB 316
11 LEC 316
12 SAI 315
13 NOR 315
14 BOT 315
15 HAM 315
16 ZHO 315
17 RUS 314
18 RIC 311
19 STR 311
20 HUL 310

Even when there seems to be a pattern with the Mercedes powered cars, Lando’s speed isn’t off compared to Sainz and Leclerc… No idea what levels of downforce / drag each used, but I was expecting the difference to be bigger

[1m0bius1]

There is a reason why rbr didn't care when James key left. "Next Adrian newey". Lol

Can't expect much more foe a team that takes 4 years to build a wind tunnel

[SmallSoldier]

Telemetry comparison between Lando, Charles and Max for qualifying… Not surprising given the lap time difference, but clearly behind almost everywhere, from speed on the straights, to corner speeds: