2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Redragon]

It is very likely that Mercedes engine is down on power at the moment.
Honda probably remained the same.
Renault probably the same.
Ferrari got a big bump.

All Mercedes teams are much worse than last year.
Honda teams are kind of the same.
Renault the same.
Ferrari teams all are much better.

It's unlikely the major differentiator is aero as it wouldn't fit this perfectly.

Renault engine wasn’t in full power on the weekend they haven’t used 8th gear.


At the moment with data so far
1 Ferrari
2 honda
3 renault -Mercedes with slightly renault advantage at the moment

If it is confirmed as maybe is not the case. They are stuck 4 years with Mercedes engine. But they could change again but the only option would be Renault as Redbull/honda engine will not be happy to come back and Ferrari has already all the teams supplied. So either be stuck with Mercedes, swap to Renault or make their own engine. If that the case few years more of pain

[JPower]

You're gonna be 3 weeks before they can even get parts there to work on the brakes, never mind anything else.

So Australia or Imola for the official brake fix?

[ferrarifire]

Even though I am a Ferrari fan ,I loved the Ferrari -Mclaren rival in the past , and some of the McLaren designs were genious . It is sad to see such a historic team is struggling .

The British media hyped the season when the car was launched and the journalists like Gary have zero knowledge about the car and praised the medicore McLaren design .

The reality is McLaren does not have the infra or tools or PPL to compete the big 3 and the last year fight with Ferrari gave a wrong hope.

It is no coincidence that the work teams are leading the pack (alpine is the exception) .unless something drastic happen it is impossible to McLaren climb up the ladder .may be Audi take over can solve this problem.

[taperoo2k]

McLaren are still in the process of rebuilding, the new wind tunnel is still being built and they have a lot of other infrastructure in the pipeline. I hope the brakes are the main issue and once those are sorted McLaren can claw their way up the midfield. Anyone expecting McLaren to compete at the sharp end of the grid this season was living in fantasy land tbh.

[AtlasZX]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

[Redragon]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

So williams and Aston Martin were lost causes too? Feels weird.

[Big Tea]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

So williams and Aston Martin were lost causes too? Feels weird.

Is it too soon to talk of lost causes? Sub-optimal yes, but we don't know the underling facts yet

[Redragon]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

So williams and Aston Martin were lost causes too? Feels weird.

Is it too soon to talk of lost causes? Sub-optimal yes, but we don't know the underling facts yet

Yes but it is weird all the Mercedes teams were low on top speed and I don’t think they would be all lost causes to have the engines down. I wait until Spain to see and judge after Spain no place to hide if something is wrong

[Big Tea]

So williams and Aston Martin were lost causes too? Feels weird.

Is it too soon to talk of lost causes? Sub-optimal yes, but we don't know the underling facts yet

Yes but it is weird all the Mercedes teams were low on top speed and I don’t think they would be all lost causes to have the engines down. I wait until Spain to see and judge after Spain no place to hide if something is wrong

Oh, I think it is defiantly an engine problem, but it may be a simple 'fix' such as awaiting a new component or even update as I think they now have to all be updated together (am I correct) and they may not all be ready.



Edit, ofcourse it really be a total disaster )

[JPower]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

If that's the case, why was Ricciardo having PU cooling issues with a turned down engine?

[proteus]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

If this really is the case, F1 has a major problem. A manufacturer decides he will underpower a third of the field because they dont want to take a risk for their own team...

[SmallSoldier]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

If that's the case, why was Ricciardo having PU cooling issues with a turned down engine?

Because most teams had issues handling heat, they can run the PU in a more conservative mode and still be undercooled… even if you run the PU a little lower, the cooling requirements are not going to change dramatically

And is not like they were running 100HP less than the rest of the field either

[SmallSoldier]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

If this really is the case, F1 has a major problem. A manufacturer decides he will underpower a third of the field because they dont want to take a risk for their own team...

The modes are available to all, but I would be surprised if McLaren run the engines in (let’s call it optimal) race mode, knowing that they had a major deficit that wouldn’t be covered by it… No need to stress the engine to finish P12 instead of P15 in a GP where you know you are behind the field… Better to save the engine, make sure you finish the race and collect as much as data as possible for the future.

[JPower]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

If that's the case, why was Ricciardo having PU cooling issues with a turned down engine?

Because most teams had issues handling heat, they can run the PU in a more conservative mode and still be undercooled… even if you run the PU a little lower, the cooling requirements are not going to change dramatically

And is not like they were running 100HP less than the rest of the field either

Makes sense.

[Redragon]

Is it too soon to talk of lost causes? Sub-optimal yes, but we don't know the underling facts yet

Yes but it is weird all the Mercedes teams were low on top speed and I don’t think they would be all lost causes to have the engines down. I wait until Spain to see and judge after Spain no place to hide if something is wrong

Oh, I think it is defiantly an engine problem, but it may be a simple 'fix' such as awaiting a new component or even update as I think they now have to all be updated together (am I correct) and they may not all be ready.



Edit, ofcourse it really be a total disaster )

The combustion side of the engines are homologated and frozen until 2025 only the electrical side still possible to improve before is frozen by september