2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[bauc]

Yes but it is weird all the Mercedes teams were low on top speed and I don’t think they would be all lost causes to have the engines down. I wait until Spain to see and judge after Spain no place to hide if something is wrong

Oh, I think it is defiantly an engine problem, but it may be a simple 'fix' such as awaiting a new component or even update as I think they now have to all be updated together (am I correct) and they may not all be ready.



Edit, ofcourse it really be a total disaster )

The combustion side of the engines are homologated and frozen until 2025 only the electrical side still possible to improve before is frozen by september

This does not include engine maps & fuel improvement - this will still be developed

[CrazyCarperF1]

With the halt on engine development(other than reliability) I would imagine that Mercedes have gone down the High horsepower at the expense of ultimate reliability, at least that's what I hope, it could be that the current engines are running detuned to mask any weaknesses, future reliability upgrades will allow the engines to perform unthrottled.

[Redragon]

Oh, I think it is defiantly an engine problem, but it may be a simple 'fix' such as awaiting a new component or even update as I think they now have to all be updated together (am I correct) and they may not all be ready.



Edit, ofcourse it really be a total disaster )

The combustion side of the engines are homologated and frozen until 2025 only the electrical side still possible to improve before is frozen by september

This does not include engine maps & fuel improvement - this will still be developed

Fuel and oil is already homologated, only maps and the electrical side until september to be improved

[Mansell89]

Of all the things to be underperforming, who on Earth ever thought it would be the engine.

Granted there are way bigger issues but that just about is the cherry on the cake at the moment.

I don’t think I’ve quite digested how poor things were at the weekend yet!

How do we expect the team to approach Saudi- like an extended test for now?

Of the issues we have experienced, what looks imminently “fixable” versus the things that may take a long time?

[SmallSoldier]

Of all the things to be underperforming, who on Earth ever thought it would be the engine.

Granted there are way bigger issues but that just about is the cherry on the cake at the moment.

I don’t think I’ve quite digested how poor things were at the weekend yet!

How do we expect the team to approach Saudi- like an extended test for now?

Of the issues we have experienced, what looks imminently “fixable” versus the things that may take a long time?

Without knowing exactly what the issues are, impossible to determine what needs to be done and how long it will take… I guess that the lessons learned during Bahrain should help with Setup, better understanding of the tires with finally a full race distance under their belt, that in itself should help but impossible to know impact on lap time… Jeddah in theory should suit the MCL36 a bit more due to the difference in the type of corners compared to Bahrain, with more medium-high speed corners, so hopefully a bit of improvement from the layout, a bit from better car understanding and setup… How much? Is anyone’s guess… It could be worse too, who knows

[MrGapes]

I expect teams will mostly introduce updates during European races. I suspect the team will probably introduce new spec brakes in Imola, and then introduce the new set of updates in Barcelona, seems awhile away, but I rather the team completely understand what's underneath them, and refine the true setup of the car with the new brakes.

[_cerber1]

According to italian press, Mercedes kept their engine in a conservative mode bcs they knew that this race was a lost cause anyway, so at least they can increase reliability waiting for a working version of the W13.

A source?

[Fulcrum]

Top speed wasn’t as horrible as I expected it to be:

https://i.imgur.com/J5Uv6Ph.png

Top speed during the race, as recorded by this statistic, is pretty meaningless considering it is highly correlated with availability of DRS and getting a decent slipstream; race winner Leclerc was last in the speed trap at 302.6kph.

They all have had DRS at one point or another during the race on the main straight, with the exception of Leclerc that was leading the race without DRS for most of it… I expected them to be at the bottom of of the statistic and it wasn’t the case, that’s all.

Yes, but some had it more than others.

The more often you had it, the higher the likelihood you sampled an outlier event from the underlying distribution. In this case, the outlier event is the recorded speed trap value.

Outliers are not especially useful for the purpose of inference.

It would be far more meaningful to see the distribution of recorded speed trap data, with and without DRS activated, before drawing any conclusions.

The speed trap probability density graph from free practice was much more informative, in my opinion.

[SmallSoldier]

Top speed during the race, as recorded by this statistic, is pretty meaningless considering it is highly correlated with availability of DRS and getting a decent slipstream; race winner Leclerc was last in the speed trap at 302.6kph.

They all have had DRS at one point or another during the race on the main straight, with the exception of Leclerc that was leading the race without DRS for most of it… I expected them to be at the bottom of of the statistic and it wasn’t the case, that’s all.

Yes, but some had it more than others.

The more often you had it, the higher the likelihood you sampled an outlier event from the underlying distribution. In this case, the outlier event is the recorded speed trap value.

Outliers are not especially useful for the purpose of inference.

It would be far more meaningful to see the distribution of recorded speed trap data, with and without DRS activated, before drawing any conclusions.

The speed trap probability density graph from free practice was much more informative, in my opinion.

Even though I don’t disagree with you that outliers do factor in, FP2 numbers wouldn’t help either since there are several other factors at play (like engine modes) that skew those numbers even more.

Like I previously stated, it surprised me since I wasn’t expecting McLaren to be nowhere as high compared to others based on their performance on Sunday… If you think it’s non-representative, that’s absolutely fine.

[_cerber1]

Over winter Mclaren thought they'd got almost as much downforce back as the old cars, they reckoned they were half a second off the previous cars, plus the +1.5 seconds the new wheels and tyres cost, so 2 seconds down on last years lap times.

That suggests there's a lot of performance in the car they just need to get on top of their issues so they can set the car up and get it down on the floor, these 2022 cars are incredibly sensitive to mechanical setup, far more than last years cars. I think we'll get much bigger swings between cars on different tracks this year because of it.

In qualifying, McLaren really lost 2.1 seconds to themselves, relative to 2021, and this is only 13th place. In order to become the sixth, they lacked 0.4-0.5 seconds. It seems to be a little, and it is quite possible to attribute it to childhood illnesses. But the racing pace was just awful, we were barely ahead of Williams and Aston Martin, we were behind everyone else by more than a second from the circle. I can't imagine what the team can do to fix this.

[genarro]

Over winter Mclaren thought they'd got almost as much downforce back as the old cars, they reckoned they were half a second off the previous cars, plus the +1.5 seconds the new wheels and tyres cost, so 2 seconds down on last years lap times.

That suggests there's a lot of performance in the car they just need to get on top of their issues so they can set the car up and get it down on the floor, these 2022 cars are incredibly sensitive to mechanical setup, far more than last years cars. I think we'll get much bigger swings between cars on different tracks this year because of it.

In qualifying, McLaren really lost 2.1 seconds to themselves, relative to 2021, and this is only 13th place. In order to become the sixth, they lacked 0.4-0.5 seconds. It seems to be a little, and it is quite possible to attribute it to childhood illnesses. But the racing pace was just awful, we were barely ahead of Williams and Aston Martin, we were behind everyone else by more than a second from the circle. I can't imagine what the team can do to fix this.

its probably just setup related. The werent able to do a race distance in testing while all of the other teams did multiple race distances and thus were able to understand better the new cars. That could explain the lack of race pace.

The real performance (or lack of it) will be seen when the brake issues will be solved and we will be on a track that the other teams wont have more data than us.

[NiyolHuayra]

Lando on the issues of the MCL36

[Mclarensenna]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-s ... e-problem/

"Key explained that the mass overhaul in regulations for the 2022 season had thrown up problems they did not expect, and that they were discovering that things tested in simulations did not always correlate to on-track performance."

<------ In previous interviews which have been posted here many times, key said the outdated simulator mclaren is using is missing data and information. It seems he was correct based on this latest statement from key. Notice how Ferrari who just recently updated to the latest and greatest simulator on the grid, has an incredibly quick car and not having the issues the Mclaren has.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... gMuyT.html

All we can do now is be patient and not get our expectations too high until the new wing tunnel end of this year and new latest and greatest simulator mid 2023 arrives.

[JPower]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-s ... e-problem/

"Key explained that the mass overhaul in regulations for the 2022 season had thrown up problems they did not expect, and that they were discovering that things tested in simulations did not always correlate to on-track performance."

<------ In previous interviews which have been posted here many times, key said the outdated simulator mclaren is using is missing data and information. It seems he was correct based on this latest statement from key. Notice how Ferrari who just recently updated to the latest and greatest simulator on the grid, has an incredibly quick car and not having the issues the Mclaren has.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... gMuyT.html

All we can do now is be patient and not get our expectations too high until the new wing tunnel end of this year and new latest and greatest simulator mid 2023 arrives.

BSport addressed the correlation issues and more starting around 5:18.

[Mclarensenna]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-s ... e-problem/

"Key explained that the mass overhaul in regulations for the 2022 season had thrown up problems they did not expect, and that they were discovering that things tested in simulations did not always correlate to on-track performance."

<------ In previous interviews which have been posted here many times, key said the outdated simulator mclaren is using is missing data and information. It seems he was correct based on this latest statement from key. Notice how Ferrari who just recently updated to the latest and greatest simulator on the grid, has an incredibly quick car and not having the issues the Mclaren has.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... gMuyT.html

All we can do now is be patient and not get our expectations too high until the new wing tunnel end of this year and new latest and greatest simulator mid 2023 arrives.

BSport addressed the correlation issues and more starting around 5:18.

Interesting thanks. He mentions the flo vis shows flow issues on the Mclaren and blames the outdated Cologne wind tunnel for the correlation issues.