2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 17:45
PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 16:48
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 15:17


No need to troll.
Explain how is that fact trolling?
Well… First, the 2017 engine was subpar, with less power than the 2016 engine, an engine that blew itself into pieces more times than it actually completed races and that limited the mileage on the car so much, that even understanding it’s problems was a Herculean task… Therefore McLaren blaming that engine wasn’t wrong… You are also drawing a link between the 2018 MCL33 lack of downforce and drag to the MCL32, which again is wrong.

But regardless of the above:

A) Is McLaren blaming the engine? No, they aren’t… Therefore you are creating a narrative in order to elicit a reaction… You are just trolling
B) Why bring in 2022 an issue from 2017 that will just create an argument? This will just create a discussion that has been done ad nauseam, that has polarizing opinions and that adds no value whatsoever to the 2022 McLaren thread… You are just trolling

I guess you achieved what you wanted, elicit a reaction based on a post that adds absolute no value… And I bit the bait… Trolling effort was successful!
McLaren blamed the engine. They were very roundabout when the did it. Team members kept repeating they had a glorious chassis every chance they got.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... qawum.html
Q: Eric, you said that it dawned on you even at the Barcelona tests in February that 2017 would be another disastrous year. Can you talk us through the discussions that set in at that very moment?

Eric Boullier: That’s easily told: I went to the management, showed them the data and told them that we cannot accept another year like this. We had a tough first year with Honda, we had a tough second year, and had expected progress good enough to get us back to where we belong – but Barcelona showed that we would go backwards and that was absolutely not an option. I obviously warned them about the consequences of another year of no results, where you keep everybody afloat.
EB: Oh yes, a lot. When you look at what we have achieved in terms of car performance – chassis performance – we know that we are back on the podium, at the top.

Q: So the car is a podium contender, but now you have to deal with a completely new power unit for 2018. Could that potentially set you back again?

EB: You have to adapt and adjust to the engine layout, but the architecture will remain the same. We have a clever concept, so it’s not going to be a big drama. Sometimes we are trying not to be stupid! (Laughs)

Q: You will have the same engine as Red Bull Racing in 2018 – so they should not have a massive advantage and you should not have a big handicap…

EB: Both no. Maybe we made the decision to change the engine manufacturer two weeks too late for our schedule – but these two weeks have almost been recovered.

We know how that turned out when they switched to Renault.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:10
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 17:45
PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 16:48


Explain how is that fact trolling?
Well… First, the 2017 engine was subpar, with less power than the 2016 engine, an engine that blew itself into pieces more times than it actually completed races and that limited the mileage on the car so much, that even understanding it’s problems was a Herculean task… Therefore McLaren blaming that engine wasn’t wrong… You are also drawing a link between the 2018 MCL33 lack of downforce and drag to the MCL32, which again is wrong.

But regardless of the above:

A) Is McLaren blaming the engine? No, they aren’t… Therefore you are creating a narrative in order to elicit a reaction… You are just trolling
B) Why bring in 2022 an issue from 2017 that will just create an argument? This will just create a discussion that has been done ad nauseam, that has polarizing opinions and that adds no value whatsoever to the 2022 McLaren thread… You are just trolling

I guess you achieved what you wanted, elicit a reaction based on a post that adds absolute no value… And I bit the bait… Trolling effort was successful!
McLaren blamed the engine. They were very roundabout when the did it. Team members kept repeating they had a glorious chassis every chance they got.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... qawum.html
Q: Eric, you said that it dawned on you even at the Barcelona tests in February that 2017 would be another disastrous year. Can you talk us through the discussions that set in at that very moment?

Eric Boullier: That’s easily told: I went to the management, showed them the data and told them that we cannot accept another year like this. We had a tough first year with Honda, we had a tough second year, and had expected progress good enough to get us back to where we belong – but Barcelona showed that we would go backwards and that was absolutely not an option. I obviously warned them about the consequences of another year of no results, where you keep everybody afloat. We have a new team, which has been reconstructed in the last three years: new people, very good new people – competitive people who used to win – and the danger was we’d lose them. The perception of a team is still very much based on drivers, because they are the faces of the team, but for me the real danger was losing those people. That was the discussion at the very beginning of the season.
EB: Oh yes, a lot. When you look at what we have achieved in terms of car performance – chassis performance – we know that we are back on the podium, at the top.

Q: So the car is a podium contender, but now you have to deal with a completely new power unit for 2018. Could that potentially set you back again?

EB: You have to adapt and adjust to the engine layout, but the architecture will remain the same. We have a clever concept, so it’s not going to be a big drama. Sometimes we are trying not to be stupid! (Laughs)

Q: You will have the same engine as Red Bull Racing in 2018 – so they should not have a massive advantage and you should not have a big handicap…

EB: Both no. Maybe we made the decision to change the engine manufacturer two weeks too late for our schedule – but these two weeks have almost been recovered.

We know how that turned out when the switched to Renault.
I guess you misread me, McLaren isn’t blaming the engine today (as they did in 2017)… They did in 2017 and had every right to do so… I’ll leave it there, there is so much bait I can bite per day :)

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This is what I said:
Remember the last time McLaren blamed the engine? Turned out their chassis was draggy and lacking downforce.
How is that trolling?
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:20
This is what I said:
Remember the last time McLaren blamed the engine? Turned out their chassis was draggy and lacking downforce.
How is that trolling?
I wouldn’t say it’s trolling.
However when have Mclaren blamed Mercedes this last week?
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 21:12
PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:20
This is what I said:
Remember the last time McLaren blamed the engine? Turned out their chassis was draggy and lacking downforce.
How is that trolling?
I wouldn’t say it’s trolling.
However when have Mclaren blamed Mercedes this last week?
Who said they did? Not me.

I just reminded readers that McLaren has done this in the past when they made a weak chassis. So let us see how they handle this situation if the car is weak this year.
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Is there any way McLaren can poach Simone Resta? Everywhere that guy goes, success follows.

I feel like McLaren need to build their aero team stronger. The 2021 McLaren was the only car of the previous generation that looked like a "complete" car from an aerodynamic perspective. It had details everywhere.

The problem is, they got to that car on the last year of those regulations. They have to be much faster this time if they want a better chance of hitting their goals of fighting for wins/title in 2024.

Gotta step it up on the aero department.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 22:01
CjC wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 21:12
PlatinumZealot wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:20
This is what I said:



How is that trolling?
I wouldn’t say it’s trolling.
However when have Mclaren blamed Mercedes this last week?
Who said they did? Not me.

I just reminded readers that McLaren has done this in the past when they made a weak chassis. So let us see how they handle this situation if the car is weak this year.
Not that this has anything to do with 2022 McLaren, but I don't recall that specifically being the case, yes they claimed that in the Honda years but the Honda was so lacking that could have very well been the case. No they didn't make the step they expected when swapping to Renault in 18 but as far as I'm aware they admitted there was a chassis design flaw that year (directly due to the swapping to the Renault pu). So you can't directly compare the 17 & 18 chassis.

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MrMclaren wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:08
EddyBaggio wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 18:53
So, any news about upgrades or fixes for Saudi?

What can we expect? Better/Worse?
Can it get any worse?
Could double DNF. :lol:

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Slahinki wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 23:04
MrMclaren wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:08
EddyBaggio wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 18:53
So, any news about upgrades or fixes for Saudi?

What can we expect? Better/Worse?
Can it get any worse?
Could double DNF. :lol:
If it DNF's you can usually see what's wrong though :mrgreen:
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Slahinki wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 23:04
MrMclaren wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 19:08
EddyBaggio wrote:
23 Mar 2022, 18:53
So, any news about upgrades or fixes for Saudi?

What can we expect? Better/Worse?
Can it get any worse?
Could double DNF. :lol:
That might be less embarassing

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Norris: Yeah, confirm. They also have 100 points more downforce. :(
https://www.racefans.net/2022/03/24/nor ... of-plight/

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_cerber1 wrote:
24 Mar 2022, 09:24
Norris: Yeah, confirm. They also have 100 points more downforce. :(
https://www.racefans.net/2022/03/24/nor ... of-plight/
THese "expert journalists" are reheating a team radio message and an interview that was given by Lando and Danny after the race in which they were understandably disapointed.

YES the Bahrain GP was a disaster but things will improve I am sure of it. The fact that the team is vocal about the lack of performance is a good thing. But what are the reasons of the lack of performance is an internal matter. They are porbably giving 200% to finding improvements.

All the teams are saying that the true pecking order will be clear after 4 or 5 races. that means that te team needs time and we have to give them and all we can do is give them support and stop with this whining and cryouts of sacking Key and half of the aero department...

Forza McLaren 8)

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_cerber1 wrote:
24 Mar 2022, 09:24
Norris: Yeah, confirm. They also have 100 points more downforce. :(
https://www.racefans.net/2022/03/24/nor ... of-plight/
I'm fairly convinced that the new brake solution which no longer ports hot air to the car is a big reason for the step back in performance.

Could this have been some kind of new blown diffuser concept but using the hot air from the brakes?
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First time poster, long time lurker and a McLaren fan for almost forty years. My first Grand Prix was Brands Hatch in 76 aged just four and my next the Monaco Grand Prix in 88, a present from my dad as I was joining up later that year. The year Senna went 1.4 faster than Prost. McLaren all the way ever since. How could you not ??

I think people have to just relax and give the team a few weeks to a) identify exactly what the problems are and b) identify the solutions going forward before thinking about the planned update we should have seen last race going onto the car. The brake ducts seem to be huge issue as I am led to understand they affect the aero of the car in a significant way. We now have an interim brake solution and the last race was a circuit that never really seems to suit us anyway and was clearly used as a test session. Lack of testing and track time is all it is, plus the only feedback from Bahrain was from Lando and it seems Daniel has a slightly different style. Big fan of both before anyone sees that comment otherwise my point was that Daniel has a bit more experience than Lando, I have faith both will provide good feedback. James Key says the car is working as it should, it just needs more grip. That's encouraging. If the car was low on aero and mech grip and they didn't know if it was doing what it was supposed to I would be worried. The Mercedes engine being down a bit is out of our hands, they are pretty competent though and I would surmise that they have gone for a powerful engine as development is frozen but it will take steps of reliability updates to get the max out of it.

All I am looking for in Saudi is a bit of progress before Australia.

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mwillems wrote:
24 Mar 2022, 11:08
_cerber1 wrote:
24 Mar 2022, 09:24
Norris: Yeah, confirm. They also have 100 points more downforce. :(
https://www.racefans.net/2022/03/24/nor ... of-plight/
I'm fairly convinced that the new brake solution which no longer ports hot air to the car is a big reason for the step back in performance.

Could this have been some kind of new blown diffuser concept but using the hot air from the brakes?
pretty sure they were trying to reclaim some of the previous regs' abilities to help front tyre warming, tech talk for the bahrain GP confirmed that Mclaren's front cake tins no longer contained a slot at the top that they had in pre-season testing.