2022 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 25 - 27

[izzy]

It's a question of going to the limits and compromises, isn't it?

It is, but you can’t have better racing if drivers only get a few attempts at out braking a competitor. It seems like a classic not seeing the forest for the trees from the rules makers.

Brakes haven't been the limiting factor in decades and they shouldn’t be in 2022.

I see it more like some compromise made by the teams, and not a rules matter.

The cars until 2021 were using huge amounts of air to blow through the wheels to achieve outwash, and a by-product was cooling the brakes.

Now the outwash through the wheels is not allowed, teams are "choking" their cooling requirements in the brakes, as it is detrimental for aero and not beneficial.

Exactly. This isn't a spec series that's all about the heroic driver, the engineering is on the limit as part of the contest. Same with the fuel and everything. And as there's no such thing as finally on the limit, they can only be one side or the other.

[Wouter]

Do you really think that a multiple WDC & WCC team would made such a rookie mistake? If yes - why would they go for a double DNF, if they could instead at least try to drive in an "eco-mode" and finish 7th, 8th, 10th? At the end of season every point will count in both WDC & WCC classifications. I won't even mention the SC period here

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Wouldn't be the first time a team messed up a fuel loading.

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Could you perhaps explain to me why ORBR immediately used one of the eight curfews at the start of a veeery long season?
Just to hide that they didn't take enough fuel with them?

[Just_a_fan]

Do you really think that a multiple WDC & WCC team would made such a rookie mistake? If yes - why would they go for a double DNF, if they could instead at least try to drive in an "eco-mode" and finish 7th, 8th, 10th? At the end of season every point will count in both WDC & WCC classifications. I won't even mention the SC period here

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Wouldn't be the first time a team messed up a fuel loading.

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Could you perhaps explain to me why ORBR immediately used one of the eight curfews at the start of a veeery long season?
Just to hide that they didn't take enough fuel with them?

That's assuming they knew what the issue was at the time. Finding the problem at the beginning of the season would be worth using a curfew if it prevents a future DNF, wouldn't it?

[tpe]

I find it frustrating that the premier Formula car series has to nurse its brakes like it’s the 1960s.

But it's their choice. They can design bigger break ducts

[Hoffman900]

It's a question of going to the limits and compromises, isn't it?

It is, but you can’t have better racing if drivers only get a few attempts at out braking a competitor. It seems like a classic not seeing the forest for the trees from the rules makers.

Brakes haven't been the limiting factor in decades and they shouldn’t be in 2022.

I see it more like some compromise made by the teams, and not a rules matter.

The cars until 2021 were using huge amounts of air to blow through the wheels to achieve outwash, and a by-product was cooling the brakes.

Now the outwash through the wheels is not allowed, teams are "choking" their cooling requirements in the brakes, as it is detrimental for aero and not beneficial.

I know why, but when drivers can't race because they are nursing their brakes, what did they really "fix"?

[Scorpaguy]

The RB seems VERY compliant over the kurbs, Merc not so much. Still, I am beginning to suspect the Merc will have tonnes of development potential. I would not be surprised if we have not already seen their worst race. I can see their floor/sidepod design delivering gobs of DF. Once they seal the floor...it may be hard for other teams to catch up.

[izzy]

It is, but you can’t have better racing if drivers only get a few attempts at out braking a competitor. It seems like a classic not seeing the forest for the trees from the rules makers.

Brakes haven't been the limiting factor in decades and they shouldn’t be in 2022.

I see it more like some compromise made by the teams, and not a rules matter.

The cars until 2021 were using huge amounts of air to blow through the wheels to achieve outwash, and a by-product was cooling the brakes.

Now the outwash through the wheels is not allowed, teams are "choking" their cooling requirements in the brakes, as it is detrimental for aero and not beneficial.

I know why, but when drivers can't race because they are nursing their brakes, what did they really "fix"?

It's still a race. Some drivers have more brakes than others, some drivers have to race smart not just sit behind lap after lap. They might have to pull out of the slipstream or drop back a bit for a while and plan their attack. Some cars are a bit slower because their engineers have given them more brake cooling. Some drivers have cars their engineers have got just right. It's racing, F1 style.

[Hoffman900]

I see it more like some compromise made by the teams, and not a rules matter.

The cars until 2021 were using huge amounts of air to blow through the wheels to achieve outwash, and a by-product was cooling the brakes.

Now the outwash through the wheels is not allowed, teams are "choking" their cooling requirements in the brakes, as it is detrimental for aero and not beneficial.

I know why, but when drivers can't race because they are nursing their brakes, what did they really "fix"?

It's still a race. Some drivers have more brakes than others, some drivers have to race smart not just sit behind lap after lap. They might have to pull out of the slipstream or drop back a bit for a while and plan their attack. Some cars are a bit slower because their engineers have given them more brake cooling. Some drivers have cars their engineers have got just right. It's racing, F1 style.

It's not. Brakes haven't been a limiting factor in decades in almost all racing.

I've raced and worked on race cars, brakes should not be the limiting factor in 2022.

I think if the trend keeps up, rules makers are going to require spec brake ducts or force them to open them up.

[nimoraca]

Ferrari bouncing a lot.

[Just_a_fan]

Sainz with extreme bouncing.

[Scorpaguy]

...Big Red's floor seal oscillating a lot right now???

[izzy]

I know why, but when drivers can't race because they are nursing their brakes, what did they really "fix"?

It's still a race. Some drivers have more brakes than others, some drivers have to race smart not just sit behind lap after lap. They might have to pull out of the slipstream or drop back a bit for a while and plan their attack. Some cars are a bit slower because their engineers have given them more brake cooling. Some drivers have cars their engineers have got just right. It's racing, F1 style.

It's not. Brakes haven't been a limiting factor in decades in almost all racing.

I've raced and worked on race cars, brakes should not be the limiting factor in 2022.

I think if the trend keeps up, rules makers are going to require spec brake ducts or force them to open them up.

Oh yes it is Brakes have always been on the limit in any prototype series, it's just physics, temperature vs drag. I know this being a professor of physics . And in F1 they'll get on top of it so the limit will shift to various other things, but F1 will still be complicated as it's supposed to be, with limits all over the place.

[Wouter]

Well, great!

[RZS10]

Well, great!

Was that maybe the cause of the burning smell Max reported?

[lh13]

Verstappen really on hards or is it Formula 1 graphics up to their usual tricks?