Bahrain GP 2009 - BIC

[ISLAMATRON]

It's not just complaining.

I want to know why. I have wrote Speed TV before coming in here, you know, this F1 forum, where other Canadian F1 fans may be?

You don't have answer? Sod off ISLAMATRON.

This is the right place, and the right people.

It is a thread about the Bahrain 2009 Grand Prix, and this is about the TV Coverage of said event. My odds of getting an answer, not a bitch/moan, in this forum are better then most.

I wasnt trying to call you a complainer, its just the only question you asked was "WTF?!?!?!?!"... but you do have a point in that other canadian posters might have an answer to you.

Unfortunately SPEEDTV doesn't seem to be concerned about F1 fans much... we have been asking them to carry Qualifying live for years now but they still give a 10 minute delay on it for some silly reason.

But like i said before I truly hope you get to watch the race.

[ringo]

JT much faster than TG on heavier fuel.

SV in great position for the win.

Expect LH to overtake JB on the start with the clean line & KERS.

RB slower than JB on less fuel.

FA light fuel and slow... bad Q3 lap maybe? Where is that famous 6 tenths FA?

NR & KR fueled up heavy.

Suprised Red Bull didnt fuel Webber heavy to maybe take advantage of a Sc situation, but those are rare in Bahrain anyway.

Sounds like brakes will be a big problem tomorrow... hope we dont see a huge accident with these long straights.

Do you suppose it will be advantageous for the brawn and mclaren to be running slightly lighter than the redbull?
Maybe 2 extra laps out for rbr may not be so desirable when the tires are more worn on those extra laps when the others have pitted for a fresh set. Also considering the brawn may be faster on the starting laps due to the lower fuel load.

Its possible that Vettel can lose time on his SS in those 2 laps ?
So in short it may come down to: if 2 more laps than the brawn is enough to justify a heavier fuel load and then to be out on worn tires,losing time, for those 2 laps.

[ISLAMATRON]

Do you suppose it will be advantageous for the brawn and mclaren to be running slightly lighter than the redbull?
Maybe 2 extra laps out for rbr may not be so desirable when the tires are more worn on those extra laps when the others have pitted for a fresh set. Also considering the brawn may be faster on the starting laps due to the lower fuel load.

Its possible that Vettel can lose time on his SS in those 2 laps ?
So in short it may come down to: if 2 more laps than the brawn is enough to justify a heavier fuel load and then to be out on worn tires,losing time, for those 2 laps.

You make an excellent point, according to the calculations of some on this board, Vettle is fueled for 17 to 19 laps or so( I dont know if they took the recon & formation laps into account) so obviously running the supersofts for that long, that early in the race could be a problem like it was for Ferrari in Austrailia.

It all comes down to how long the option tires will last, or how well each dribver can take care of them.

[NaZzO]

did anyone else notice that Button's and Barrichello's Q2 times are exactly the same to the nearest thousandths ???
and what about Hamilton's and Button's Q3 times on the exact same fuel loads, only 0.152 seconds advantage to Brawn vs Mclaren !! have macca really made such a big step forward ?

[ESPImperium]

Do you suppose it will be advantageous for the brawn and mclaren to be running slightly lighter than the redbull?
Maybe 2 extra laps out for rbr may not be so desirable when the tires are more worn on those extra laps when the others have pitted for a fresh set. Also considering the brawn may be faster on the starting laps due to the lower fuel load.

Its possible that Vettel can lose time on his SS in those 2 laps ?
So in short it may come down to: if 2 more laps than the brawn is enough to justify a heavier fuel load and then to be out on worn tires,losing time, for those 2 laps.

You make an excellent point, according to the calculations of some on this board, Vettle is fueled for 17 to 19 laps or so( I dont know if they took the recon & formation laps into account) so obviously running the supersofts for that long, that early in the race could be a problem like it was for Ferrari in Austrailia.

It all comes down to how long the option tires will last, or how well each dribver can take care of them.

I dont take the rec and formation lap into account, i just provide raw data, un-processed for races. Engine and Chassis data for me is diffrent, its processed. But for rec and formation laps id say make a rec lap arround two-thirds of a laps worth of fuel per lap, and a formation lap is worth arround half a lpas worth of fuel. Take that each driver usaly taked 2 rec laps and they all take the formation, thats 2 laps off the calculation. So for my calculation id take between 2 and 3 laps off that data.

BUT... the thing is i do give a average fuel consuption per lap for each engine type, for the Toyotas its not the 2.71Kg i state, its seemingly closer to the 2.55Kg per lap mark as the Toyotas are miles more economical on their fuel requirements from what ive taken from the BBCi 5Live comentry from Antony Davidson at various practice sessions.

My data is just a rough guide, i personally take three laps of each estimated stop as a saftey margin for myself.

[ISLAMATRON]

did anyone else notice that Button's and Barrichello's Q2 times are exactly the same to the nearest thousandths ???
and what about Hamilton's and Button's Q3 times on the exact same fuel loads, only 0.152 seconds advantage to Brawn vs Mclaren !! have macca really made such a big step forward ?

How worthwhile are those "fuel corrected" times really? There are so many variable and grey ares with them is it not much more conclusive to merely look at the Q2 times?

[m3_lover]

No Quali on TV in Canada for Bahrain.

This hasn't happened since I started watching religiously in the 90's. Never have I been unable to watch in Canada.

Speed is getting worse all the time, blacking out the quali, and no coverage on TSN like usual. Speed showed the practice at midnight, so WTF??!?!?!??!

If you go on tsn.ca, and hit tv schedule it shows when there qualifying coverage is on. I believe today it was on at 6:55 in the morning and then on tsn2 it was on at 9:55. I watched it on tsn2 so there was coverage in canada.

[Giblet]

I also have to depend on speed tv to get coverage; its annoying when they skip some of the practice sessions. I missed today's quali. so i don't know if they blocked that session. But i must say its pretty tough getting up 3:00 am to watch practice then 6:00 am to see qualifying.
I don't know how much longer i can do these kind of hours.

Yeah I found out after coing of a long zombie racing session online at 4am to watch it and found qualifying completely blacked out on Shaw Cable, west coast.

[Giblet]

Apparently... TSN and Speed TV have a dispute over the broadcast rights to me, a fan who gets up at 4:30am to watch the majority of the races.

The squabble has led to SpeedTV being told they can't broadcast the race, even though TSN is just showing a rerun of sportscenter, from the hour before.

So in the end, their fight leaves me, the F1 fan, scrambling to find a crappy online pirate feed, or get a proxy so I can go watch BBC.

[Motley]

Apologies for dragging this slightly off-topic, but I think I might have a cure for your woes,

I'm a big fan of Family Guy and other American TV shows which are now available on a site called HULU.com. However I couldn't watch anything on there because the website knows that I'm located in the United Kingdom. I think that this is the same problem being faced by anyone wanting to watch F1 on the BBC Sport website who doesn't live in the UK.

It's called The Hotspot Shield...

http://hotspotshield.com/

It cloaks you when you're online, and protects you when you're using wireless hotspots in public place, but it has the extremely useful side effect of letting you access location-restricted conent.

I can now use HULU perfectly anytime I want to, and I think it could help you to watch a decent F1 feed...

Let me know if it works out...

[jamsbong]

I'm really starting to like Vettel. He is coming on strong now. I've watched him since his first got my attention for scoring on the first drive with a BMW.

Hamilton, Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen have KERS on board. So watch out at the start, I expect them to just a few spots before first corner.

Trulli has never been a driver that can last through the race and Timo Glock is slower despite being lighter. This means Vettel has a good chance and I believe he is very committed, like Lewis and Alonso.

I'm really excited..

[Ciro Pabón]

Hey, thanks, I'm also a casualty of FoxSports, which also did not broadcast the qualy to my country, the f&%$/(*"ers. What's going on with broadcasting rights? And why they do this right before the race, without any warning? I were able to "enjoy" some random tennis game, if I wanted to.

[Gonner]

Hello. First message here. I believe that Vettel could win tomorrow, a podium with Vettel, Button and Hamilton will be surely fine with me

[NDR008]

Well I am hoping for Toyota's maiden win, though I would suspect Vettel has the best chance. Then again, Bahrain race distance is a challenge on its own.

[The FOZ]

I dont think you are complaining in the right place or to the right people... hope you get to watch the race.

That's very funny! You're probably the undisputed head of posting what you feel is relevant, yet you somehow think others can't do the same if it contradicts your standard of "worthwhile"? What exactly does that make you, I wonder?

No Quali on TV in Canada for Bahrain.

This hasn't happened since I started watching religiously in the 90's. Never have I been unable to watch in Canada.

Speed is getting worse all the time, blacking out the quali, and no coverage on TSN like usual. Speed showed the practice at midnight, so WTF??!?!?!??!

I like some of the F1 feature shows on Speed, so on a whim, I set my PVR to record Quali on Speed. That would be a mistake I won't make again. I luckily found Quali on TSN at 8:45 this morning.

I'm curious, though, every race so far this season has had quali on TSN for me...so what are we doing different? I'm in Winnipeg, where are you?