2022 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, April 22 - 24

[dialtone]

Chance of Rain during the Race tomorrow?

60% from last I read.

When is the difficult question. Last year's wet to dry race was interesting. I think I'd rather it create havoc towards the second half of the race though.

Would be nice around lap 18-19 haha


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[Magicsenna_41]

How is it possible that only Red Bull team seem to have no porpoising at all? Did they find a trick/loophole on the suspension regulation? Is this possible?

They have something special about their suspension. Merc engineers noticed RedBull can lower the rear while driving and significantly opposite in pitlane or car standing

[chrisc90]

How is it possible that only Red Bull team seem to have no porpoising at all? Did they find a trick/loophole on the suspension regulation? Is this possible?

They have something special about their suspension. Merc engineers noticed RedBull can lower the rear while driving and significantly opposite in pitlane or car standing

Any videos of that?

[Magicsenna_41]

How is it possible that only Red Bull team seem to have no porpoising at all? Did they find a trick/loophole on the suspension regulation? Is this possible?

They have something special about their suspension. Merc engineers noticed RedBull can lower the rear while driving and significantly opposite in pitlane or car standing

Any videos of that?

Yes, F1 season 2022
Seriously wondering why nobody making comparisons about this. In the past we had high rake there low rake here side by sides nearly every race.

Found the article on amus
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... hen-teams/

[Coinage]

I just don’t see why everyone hates this sprint idea so much… we get an extra 30% of actual racing instead of a practice session. More time on tv for things casual people will actually watch other than us nerds that watch practice sessions.

We still get to see our beloved qualifying, on a Friday. We see the first stint of the race Saturday. Then we get to pause it, and get a standing restart for a full race distance from where the sprint left off on Sunday… less practice and more racing for what matters, force everyone to a steeper learning curve and get on with it… these are the best of the best remember?

Why does everyone struggle with change so much lol

[dialtone]

I don't like it because it leaves no time for free practice and you end up in parc ferme. And the second reason is that it removes action from the race, during the sprint race cars go towards their pecking order and in the race they are in the pecking order.

[silver]

I don't like it because it leaves no time for free practice and you end up in parc ferme. And the second reason is that it removes action from the race, during the sprint race cars go towards their pecking order and in the race they are in the pecking order.

Loss of free practice isn't such a big problem as most of the set-up work is done at factory. Only correlation has to be established with a real time tyre data for which an hour of running is more than enough. Isn't qualifying meant to put the cars in their natural pecking order? Sometimes some cars start out of place. But then what is the fun in watching DRS charge through slower cars? When rightly placed cars start the race in natural pecking order, there is more excitement in watching them fight and to see how they outsmart through strategy. When one of the two leading cars is out of place, there is no fight anymore and the leader can simply cruise, while his competitor is making a short work of the other cars.

[dialtone]

I don't like it because it leaves no time for free practice and you end up in parc ferme. And the second reason is that it removes action from the race, during the sprint race cars go towards their pecking order and in the race they are in the pecking order.

Loss of free practice isn't such a big problem as most of the set-up work is done at factory. Only correlation has to be established with a real time tyre data for which an hour of running is more than enough. Isn't qualifying meant to put the cars in their natural pecking order? Sometimes some cars start out of place. But then what is the fun in watching DRS charge through slower cars? When rightly placed cars start the race in natural pecking order, there is more excitement in watching them fight and to see how they outsmart through strategy. When one of the two leading cars is out of place, there is no fight anymore and the leader can simply cruise, while his competitor is making a short work of the other cars.

One hour isn't enough at all, it wasn't enough for RedBull in Australia and it wasn't enough for Ferrari in Jeddah, and it clearly wasn't enough for anyone here because it was raining.

[SmallSoldier]

I don't like it because it leaves no time for free practice and you end up in parc ferme. And the second reason is that it removes action from the race, during the sprint race cars go towards their pecking order and in the race they are in the pecking order.

99% of Qualifying sessions will leave the teams in their natural pecking order, it really doesn’t take away from the race in that respect… And even when everyone once in a while we do have one car out of place, it isn’t the norm… Ultimately, if the drivers/teams can make enough places (like Perez or Sainz today) in a third of a race distance, it would have been no different in the race.

I much rather have a Sprint Race than Free Practice to look at… I wouldn’t like it if it would replace Qualifying, but we still get Qualy also, so hard to see the downside.

[SmallSoldier]

I don't like it because it leaves no time for free practice and you end up in parc ferme. And the second reason is that it removes action from the race, during the sprint race cars go towards their pecking order and in the race they are in the pecking order.

Loss of free practice isn't such a big problem as most of the set-up work is done at factory. Only correlation has to be established with a real time tyre data for which an hour of running is more than enough. Isn't qualifying meant to put the cars in their natural pecking order? Sometimes some cars start out of place. But then what is the fun in watching DRS charge through slower cars? When rightly placed cars start the race in natural pecking order, there is more excitement in watching them fight and to see how they outsmart through strategy. When one of the two leading cars is out of place, there is no fight anymore and the leader can simply cruise, while his competitor is making a short work of the other cars.

One hour isn't enough at all, it wasn't enough for RedBull in Australia and it wasn't enough for Ferrari in Jeddah, and it clearly wasn't enough for anyone here because it was raining.

So, you have a problem with it because the top teams didn’t had enough time to get their setups perfect with only one hour of practice (which actually could bring variability to the grid and have cars out of order), but at the same time you don’t like it because it restores the order before the race? You have to make up your mind

[dialtone]

Loss of free practice isn't such a big problem as most of the set-up work is done at factory. Only correlation has to be established with a real time tyre data for which an hour of running is more than enough. Isn't qualifying meant to put the cars in their natural pecking order? Sometimes some cars start out of place. But then what is the fun in watching DRS charge through slower cars? When rightly placed cars start the race in natural pecking order, there is more excitement in watching them fight and to see how they outsmart through strategy. When one of the two leading cars is out of place, there is no fight anymore and the leader can simply cruise, while his competitor is making a short work of the other cars.

One hour isn't enough at all, it wasn't enough for RedBull in Australia and it wasn't enough for Ferrari in Jeddah, and it clearly wasn't enough for anyone here because it was raining.

So, you have a problem with it because the top teams didn’t had enough time to get their setups perfect with only one hour of practice (which actually could bring variability to the grid and have cars out of order), but at the same time you don’t like it because it restores the order before the race? You have to make up your mind

Alonso qualified 5th, finished 9th, Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, neither of them seemed to have gotten their setup wrong, Alonso was eating through his tyres. Meanwhile top 4 drivers got further 26 points even if 2 of them started out of the top 5.

Pretty clearly strong teams will win out no matter what, even without the extra free practice, so what this event ended up accomplishing is giving more points to the top teams.

[SmallSoldier]

One hour isn't enough at all, it wasn't enough for RedBull in Australia and it wasn't enough for Ferrari in Jeddah, and it clearly wasn't enough for anyone here because it was raining.

So, you have a problem with it because the top teams didn’t had enough time to get their setups perfect with only one hour of practice (which actually could bring variability to the grid and have cars out of order), but at the same time you don’t like it because it restores the order before the race? You have to make up your mind

Alonso qualified 5th, finished 9th, Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, neither of them seemed to have gotten their setup wrong, Alonso was eating through his tyres. Meanwhile top 4 drivers got further 26 points even if 2 of them started out of the top 5.

Pretty clearly strong teams will win out no matter what, even without the extra free practice, so what this event ended up accomplishing is giving more points to the top teams.

Having a hard time understanding the point… Alonso qualified 5th because Sainz didn’t set a lap in Q3 and Perez was hindered by Red Flags… You say he finished 9th because he was eating through his tires, which means that the setup was wrong for long run pace… Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, mostly because Haas made a mistake by going with Mediums while everyone else went with Softs and they never got the speed advantage from them (maybe because of the Safety Car giving soft tires cars 3 free laps).

The strong teams will win more often than not, that is not new and has nothing to do with the Sprint… It has always been the case in F1… The event isn’t meant for “weaker” teams to get more points… The event is made to give additional track action for the fans and in that sense it delivers… There is more on-track action during Sprint weekends compared to normal weekends… I don’t know where you get the 26 points from? You are adding all of them up?… If we are going to complain about the faster teams getting more points, we should start with the actual point scoring system then, where the gap between 1st and 4th (non-podium position) it’s 13 points… That’s way more than the 3 point difference for the same finishing positions in the Sprint Race.

Again… I don’t understand what the complain actually is? That the faster teams finish higher? That they get more points? As a fan, I find hardly anything to complain about… I get too watch more on-track action during the Sprint weekend than in regular ones and during those races, we don’t have drivers nursing their tires during 80% or more of an stint or saving fuel, therefore having a bit more racing than in a regular race, not much to complain about… Would I like it on every weekend? Not sure I do, but finding a hard time finding reasons why it would be too bad… The only one would be that some people miss Qualifying on Friday’s because they might be working or commuting while it takes place.

[dialtone]

So, you have a problem with it because the top teams didn’t had enough time to get their setups perfect with only one hour of practice (which actually could bring variability to the grid and have cars out of order), but at the same time you don’t like it because it restores the order before the race? You have to make up your mind

Alonso qualified 5th, finished 9th, Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, neither of them seemed to have gotten their setup wrong, Alonso was eating through his tyres. Meanwhile top 4 drivers got further 26 points even if 2 of them started out of the top 5.

Pretty clearly strong teams will win out no matter what, even without the extra free practice, so what this event ended up accomplishing is giving more points to the top teams.

Having a hard time understanding the point… Alonso qualified 5th because Sainz didn’t set a lap in Q3 and Perez was hindered by Red Flags… You say he finished 9th because he was eating through his tires, which means that the setup was wrong for long run pace… Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, mostly because Haas made a mistake by going with Mediums while everyone else went with Softs and they never got the speed advantage from them (maybe because of the Safety Car giving soft tires cars 3 free laps).

You said quali represents the pecking order and I showed you that 2 top 5 qualifiers weren't in fact top 5 cars for the race. You also said that I cared about top teams not getting the setup wrong and looked to me like other teams got the setup wrong.

EDIT: Of course I also forgot that McLaren had a problem and basically didn't run in FP2 if I'm not mistaken, so add that to the tally, which is 50% practice time to miss and could ruin your race, compared to the typical 30% you would lose by missing on a session.

The strong teams will win more often than not, that is not new and has nothing to do with the Sprint… It has always been the case in F1… The event isn’t meant for “weaker” teams to get more points… The event is made to give additional track action for the fans and in that sense it delivers… There is more on-track action during Sprint weekends compared to normal weekends… I don’t know where you get the 26 points from? You are adding all of them up?… If we are going to complain about the faster teams getting more points, we should start with the actual point scoring system then, where the gap between 1st and 4th (non-podium position) it’s 13 points… That’s way more than the 3 point difference for the same finishing positions in the Sprint Race.

Again… I don’t understand what the complain actually is? That the faster teams finish higher? That they get more points? As a fan, I find hardly anything to complain about… I get too watch more on-track action during the Sprint weekend than in regular ones and during those races, we don’t have drivers nursing their tires during 80% or more of an stint or saving fuel, therefore having a bit more racing than in a regular race, not much to complain about… Would I like it on every weekend? Not sure I do, but finding a hard time finding reasons why it would be too bad… The only one would be that some people miss Qualifying on Friday’s because they might be working or commuting while it takes place.

More track action is just about the only positive of Sprint Qualifying, but to me Free Practice is pretty fun to watch and lasts about the same time so it's a bit of a wash. I can understand other people having a different point of view.

I would be more fine with the sprint weekend if parc ferme was enforced after FP2 for example. But I don't like that the work of the entire team is left to more randomness than usual by making good guesses for the simulator for the conditions at the time of racing. I didn't like sprint races last year when Ferrari wasn't competitive, and I don't really like them this year, for just about the same reason.

We can both agree that we disagree on this

[SmallSoldier]

Alonso qualified 5th, finished 9th, Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, neither of them seemed to have gotten their setup wrong, Alonso was eating through his tyres. Meanwhile top 4 drivers got further 26 points even if 2 of them started out of the top 5.

Pretty clearly strong teams will win out no matter what, even without the extra free practice, so what this event ended up accomplishing is giving more points to the top teams.

Having a hard time understanding the point… Alonso qualified 5th because Sainz didn’t set a lap in Q3 and Perez was hindered by Red Flags… You say he finished 9th because he was eating through his tires, which means that the setup was wrong for long run pace… Magnussen qualified 4th, finished 8th, mostly because Haas made a mistake by going with Mediums while everyone else went with Softs and they never got the speed advantage from them (maybe because of the Safety Car giving soft tires cars 3 free laps).

You said quali represents the pecking order and I showed you that 2 top 5 qualifiers weren't in fact top 5 cars for the race. You also said that I cared about top teams not getting the setup wrong and looked to me like other teams got the setup wrong.

EDIT: Of course I also forgot that McLaren had a problem and basically didn't run in FP2 if I'm not mistaken, so add that to the tally, which is 50% practice time to miss and could ruin your race, compared to the typical 30% you would lose by missing on a session.

The strong teams will win more often than not, that is not new and has nothing to do with the Sprint… It has always been the case in F1… The event isn’t meant for “weaker” teams to get more points… The event is made to give additional track action for the fans and in that sense it delivers… There is more on-track action during Sprint weekends compared to normal weekends… I don’t know where you get the 26 points from? You are adding all of them up?… If we are going to complain about the faster teams getting more points, we should start with the actual point scoring system then, where the gap between 1st and 4th (non-podium position) it’s 13 points… That’s way more than the 3 point difference for the same finishing positions in the Sprint Race.

Again… I don’t understand what the complain actually is? That the faster teams finish higher? That they get more points? As a fan, I find hardly anything to complain about… I get too watch more on-track action during the Sprint weekend than in regular ones and during those races, we don’t have drivers nursing their tires during 80% or more of an stint or saving fuel, therefore having a bit more racing than in a regular race, not much to complain about… Would I like it on every weekend? Not sure I do, but finding a hard time finding reasons why it would be too bad… The only one would be that some people miss Qualifying on Friday’s because they might be working or commuting while it takes place.

More track action is just about the only positive of Sprint Qualifying, but to me Free Practice is pretty fun to watch and lasts about the same time so it's a bit of a wash. I can understand other people having a different point of view.

I would be more fine with the sprint weekend if parc ferme was enforced after FP2 for example. But I don't like that the work of the entire team is left to more randomness than usual by making good guesses for the simulator for the conditions at the time of racing. I didn't like sprint races last year when Ferrari wasn't competitive, and I don't really like them this year, for just about the same reason.

We can both agree that we disagree on this

Sounds good to me

[Airshifter]

I just don’t see why everyone hates this sprint idea so much… we get an extra 30% of actual racing instead of a practice session. More time on tv for things casual people will actually watch other than us nerds that watch practice sessions.

We still get to see our beloved qualifying, on a Friday. We see the first stint of the race Saturday. Then we get to pause it, and get a standing restart for a full race distance from where the sprint left off on Sunday… less practice and more racing for what matters, force everyone to a steeper learning curve and get on with it… these are the best of the best remember?

Why does everyone struggle with change so much lol

I just think it's yet another gimmick that really has no major merit. The main reason I was opposed to it is the opportunity for there to be major carnage for teams, leaving them having to rebuild the car and then run the main race without shakedown or setup tweaks to match what they had for the sprint.

Other than the occasional freak situation such as Sainz being somewhat helped by it this time around, the drivers ups and downs will still favor the top teams and drivers. So it's little mini races adding more points to the already leading teams and drivers, when we already have a full season.

But all it takes is one major incident that takes out multiple cars, and teams and drivers that had nothing to do with it but get caught in the mix pay the price for the race start positions.