FIA introduces £30m budget cap

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DaveKillens wrote:I'm sure many are aware that Ferrari provides the powerplant for all the A1GP cars. How many others didn't know that? How many casual race fans are aware of this fact? Most likely a very small percentage. So just where is great publicity and positive fall-out from this situation?
I hold forth this example to display that being an engine provider doesn't make people's tongues wag.
Exactly. It's like that with every spec-part (or almost-spec part). Nobody mentions them once they're not a factor, unless it's these two ways: NASCAR's way, hiring commentators that constantly repeat "Four new Goodyears", "new Sunoco fuel", "The #18 M&M's Toyota" (and every other sponsor), or Bridgestone's way of supplying unfit parts, forcing everyone to mention how much trouble the Bridgestones are causing the teams.

Nobody calls Williams "Williams-Toyota" during races. Or BrawnGP-Mercedes. Engine-suppliers are invisible to all but the most hardcore fans - us. We care that it used by be a dominant TAG-Porsche in the McLarens, and then a dominant Honda in the McLaren. We remember that BrawnGP use a Mercedes engine - but ask ye average F1 watcher in the pub, and he'll have no idea. At best, he'll think they're using Honda engines, if he noticed that BrawnGP is actually HondaGP.


However... Assuming such rules: what's stopping the manufacturers from selling their team to their management? "Scuderia Ferrari F1" could receive engines from the "Motori Ferrari" department. McLaren could still get engines from Mercedes. "Toyota Racing" from "Toyota Motor Company". It won't be directly factory, but it'll be a "satellite" team that still gets them the same amount of exposure a full-time factory team gets. They might even be able to sponsor those teams...

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Wow 40 million minus costs for marketing, hospitality, driver salaries, fines or penalties, engine costs, outside expenditure and taxes.

Great news of the Mclaren with the fines :)
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http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... from-2010/

Well, they raised it to £40 million.

Will be hard to divide the budget by ten for McLaren, Toyota or Ferrari.

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Gonner wrote:http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... from-2010/

Well, they raised it to £40 million.

Will be hard to divide the budget by ten for McLaren, Toyota or Ferrari.
They don't have to...

It's OPTIONAL.

This will allow them to fill the grid with 26 cars. The budget teams will be allowed more technical freedom to make them competitive, and once those teams hit the front, all will have no option but to follow suit.
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so next year teams with the cap will be...

williams
force india
torro rosso

plus the 3 new teams

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I think you should probably add Brawn onto that list as well.

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So we will have a 2 formula, formula 1? Budget capped no limit cars ( i know there will be sum, but u know what i mean), and everybody else.

With engine cost outside the $40 million and no rev limits, i am sure there is some BIG money to spend in this area.

I have a feeling there is going to be Alot of problem with this.
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For Brawn, it might depend on the sponsoring they'll get this year, Brawn said they had 20/30 propositions, and they are now trying to pick the serious one.

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I'm just happy about the engine proposals :D

21,000rpm anyone?
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Scotracer wrote:I'm just happy about the engine proposals :D

21,000rpm anyone?
Yeah...but why would a non capped supplier provide a team with a better motor than they have and allow them to run at uber revs?

Is this going to mean unlimited revs on Cosworth only engines?
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Why would they stick with piston driven engines if the regs get uncorked? I see 1300cc Rotary engines running 40lbs of boost in the future if this is the case.

I dunno. They should wait until all teams are prepared to adhere to the cap. not run a multi-reg formula all chasing the same points/championships.

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I believe the engine regs aren't changing (i.e. still 2.4 V8) but they are removing the rev limit.
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With re-fueling banned next year, how are the cars gonna last a whole race distance? They must at least double the size of their fuel tank i suppose? But with KERS and all the engine components at the back, how is that possible?

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We'll just see bigger cars...simple as that!

More aero as they will have more area to use on the floors..

I reckon they will be fast..especially in qualli as I cannot see them having to qualify with full tanks - woohoo!
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freedom_honda wrote:With re-fueling banned next year, how are the cars gonna last a whole race distance? They must at least double the size of their fuel tank i suppose? But with KERS and all the engine components at the back, how is that possible?
It will be about 180-200kg of fuel required compared with the maximum of around 120kg that they have now.
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