2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

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Yeah, Ferrari is very clear of the rest here on a single lap, need to check the tyre deg soon as telemetry comes out, but they seemed to be lapping similar to Max with 11+ laps old softs.

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Russel PU issues???
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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dialtone wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:16
Yeah, Ferrari is very clear of the rest here on a single lap, need to check the tyre deg soon as telemetry comes out, but they seemed to be lapping similar to Max with 11+ laps old softs.
It seems like Red Bull is using less power than others. Probably because they are still on first PU. Horner didn't seem concerned when asked about Ferrari's pace. It's still probably given that Leclerc might just bolt it on pole with hopefully a clean qualifying (fingers crossed), but they are probably nip and tuck.

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silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:21
dialtone wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:16
Yeah, Ferrari is very clear of the rest here on a single lap, need to check the tyre deg soon as telemetry comes out, but they seemed to be lapping similar to Max with 11+ laps old softs.
It seems like Red Bull is using less power than others. Probably because they are still on first PU. Horner didn't seem concerned when asked about Ferrari's pace. It's still probably given that Leclerc might just bolt it on pole with hopefully a clean qualifying (fingers crossed), but they are probably nip and tuck.
I'm pretty sure everyone is running PU1 and lower power on Fridays though.

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PER v LEC

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* Middle sector is basically bang on same time between the 2
* First and Last sector Ferrari seems a smidge better in corners like T1 and T4-5
* At tunnel and T1 Perez brakes a bit earlier
* S3 I think both drivers could push a bit more, but their line is pretty different, particularly at Rascasse T17
* It's possible Red Bull is running slightly less power, but honestly not so sure, although VER seemed to have more in the pocket than PER

As far as race pace goes... Pretty hard to tell much with all that traffic:

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Either way, there doesn't appear to be much difference between the 2, maybe Ferrari is a bit better given tyre age but really hard to tell with just 2 laps, any time above 1.30 I considered too high and removed from the graph.
Merc pace on Mediums and Softs seems good compared to RedBull, not so good compared to Ferrari.

Gotta hop on a plane so I don't have a lot of time for more analysis

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JPower wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:30
silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:21
dialtone wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:16


Yeah, Ferrari is very clear of the rest here on a single lap, need to check the tyre deg soon as telemetry comes out, but they seemed to be lapping similar to Max with 11+ laps old softs.
It seems like Red Bull is using less power than others. Probably because they are still on first PU. Horner didn't seem concerned when asked about Ferrari's pace. It's still probably given that Leclerc might just bolt it on pole with hopefully a clean qualifying (fingers crossed), but they are probably nip and tuck.
I'm pretty sure everyone is running PU1 and lower power on Fridays though.
The difference is, unlike Red Bull who are going to use the same PU for quali and race, others won't and can afford to run harder, which has been the case of late.

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silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:51
JPower wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:30
silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:21
It seems like Red Bull is using less power than others. Probably because they are still on first PU. Horner didn't seem concerned when asked about Ferrari's pace. It's still probably given that Leclerc might just bolt it on pole with hopefully a clean qualifying (fingers crossed), but they are probably nip and tuck.
I'm pretty sure everyone is running PU1 and lower power on Fridays though.
The difference is, unlike Red Bull who are going to use the same PU for quali and race, others won't and can afford to run harder, which has been the case of late.
Was not the case in spain, the opposite in fact

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dialtone wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:06
silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:51
JPower wrote:
27 May 2022, 18:30

I'm pretty sure everyone is running PU1 and lower power on Fridays though.
The difference is, unlike Red Bull who are going to use the same PU for quali and race, others won't and can afford to run harder, which has been the case of late.
Was not the case in spain, the opposite in fact
You rely on the telemetry work that you do, which I don't. I have lost interest in telemetry data. I look at the excel data that @f1debrief publishes after every session which contains sector times, sector speeds and speed trap figures. The average sector speed numbrers of all the laps done through a session makes up for a good comparison of who is exercising what sort of power mode. When you compare the long runs of FP1/FP2 sector speeds/speed trap to Race day numbers, you get to know the different modes each car generally has. It makes up for a good reference. For instance, in Spain FP2, both Verstappen and Lecler were doing average 267 kph in S2 and 293 kph in speed trap on their race sims. Come race day, Leclerc was doing average 267 kph, but Verstappen was doing an around 272 kph in S2. In speed traps, Leclerc was doing 297 kph and Verstappen was doing 302 kph. These numbers are from laps without DRS. That makes me believe that Red Bull uses lower power mode, as a reference to the power mode they use on race day.

While I am on that topic, Russell was doing an average of 289 kph on race day (softs, stint 1) Vs 292 kph in FP2 (mediums) and Hamilton was 291 kph on race day (softs, stint 1) Vs 294 in FP2 (mediums) in speed trap ! That shows, Mercedes has been using higher power modes (mostly race mode) on Friday and with lower fuel.

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Once again it looks like changing to taller tyres was a bad move.
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

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Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:54
Once again it looks like changing to taller tyres was a bad move.
Why?

The cars have been too big for Monaco for years now.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:59
Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:54
Once again it looks like changing to taller tyres was a bad move.
Why?

The cars have been too big for Monaco for years now.
Now they have little suspension and lazy steering. Not what the drivers want here (or anywhere really)
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

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Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 20:00
chrisc90 wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:59
Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:54
Once again it looks like changing to taller tyres was a bad move.
Why?

The cars have been too big for Monaco for years now.
Now they have little suspension and lazy steering. Not what the drivers want here (or anywhere really)
But that's mostly Mercedes problems. Ferrari and Red Bull seems to be riding as good as in the past years and honestly, I didn't expect the times to be close to last year's FP2 times. Just one second gap, which is exceeding the expectations!

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Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 20:00
chrisc90 wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:59
Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:54
Once again it looks like changing to taller tyres was a bad move.
Why?

The cars have been too big for Monaco for years now.
Now they have little suspension and lazy steering. Not what the drivers want here (or anywhere really)
Size and weight is whats killing F1. Ground effect was in F1 decades ago. But the cars were much smaller and lighter.

Be interesting to see what lap times come out of Q3. I think low 12's/high 11's are on the boards.

Mid 1.10.5 last year so see where we end up this year.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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After two practice:

Ferrari - own league
RBR - second but no chance to close the gap to Ferrari (lack of straights)
Mclaren (Lando) - third as expected
Mercedes - struggle as expected from Barcelona's S3
Bottas - high hopes devastaed by MGU-K :( (more shitty electronics to F1 !!! more !!)

Prediction for quali:

1. Leclerc
2. Sainz
3. Verstappen

Prediction for race:

Ver passes Sainz on T1, then train behind Leclerc. Overtaking on pit-stops. Crossed fingers for a lot of SC or rain...

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silver wrote:
27 May 2022, 20:04
Big Tea wrote:
27 May 2022, 20:00
chrisc90 wrote:
27 May 2022, 19:59


Why?

The cars have been too big for Monaco for years now.
Now they have little suspension and lazy steering. Not what the drivers want here (or anywhere really)
But that's mostly Mercedes problems. Ferrari and Red Bull seems to be riding as good as in the past years and honestly, I didn't expect the times to be close to last year's FP2 times. Just one second gap, which is exceeding the expectations!
Thats true! I think it will be a weekend of struggles for Merc. PU potential issues with Russel on the long runs, Hamilton not getting to grips with the car at all. Almost sending it into the wall.

Quickly come crashing down from last week. I wonder what they changed.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.