2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

[turbof1]

Did anyone bother to watch the actual footage regarding the Verstappen pit exit incident? I see a lot of moaning in the last few pages, but little actual reference to footage.

There is footage 8 or so pages back from the onboard camera of Leclerc:


It is definitely on the edge. but Verstappen touched the line. but did not cross it.

[Edax]

Protest REJECTED!

On what grounds? So there is no rule on crossing the pit line? Can't have one without the other, surely there is clarification needed?

Sorry not gesturing to you, just broadly at the stupidity of this!

According to Benson neither of them had a full wheel over the line so no infringement of the rule.

[F1doc]

Have you seen this? Cause broadcasting this year is a piece of...

Wow epic piece of driving by Sebastian!! Classic TV direction losing all the great action...

Thank you for sharing and definitely missed from the world feed. I gather this is the only race that FOM do not have control over broadcasting, and it shows year after year when they miss interesting moments.

[f1jcw]

Protest REJECTED!

On what grounds? So there is no rule on crossing the pit line? Can't have one without the other, surely there is clarification needed?

Sorry not gesturing to you, just broadly at the stupidity of this!

According to Benson neither of them had a full wheel over the line so no infringement of the rule.

From what I can tell

It was a infringement in the 2021 rules
But in 2022 they added an amendment in the appendix
But the in the rules themselves it was cut and pasted from 2021 but not from the Appendix

hmmmmmm

[chrisc90]

Red Bull could have hook line and sinkered them with this photo from Saudi.




Would have been utterly stupid for this protest to be upheld. Desperation from Ferrari

[the poster below]

The rules are written in a way that allows for interpretation. If the rule makers wanted it to be clear cut, then they could make it that any tyre-to-line contact was "crossing". Or that having the outermost part of the tyre vertically overlie a plane in the middle of the painted line was crossing, or various other scenarios.

I interpret it that they "crossed" the line in the same way that drivers cut corners but haven't left the track. I don't think they really gained significantly (not speaking as a RB fan), so it's a question of whether to penalise for the letter of the law being broken if that's the case.

As always, we just want consistency and it's always lacking. And they appear to have failed to account for other events that had a greater impact on the final race order, what can you do

[f1jcw]

Red Bull could have hook line and sinkered them with this photo from Saudi.

https://i.ibb.co/w77Rv18/284524799-5162 ... 6429-n.png


Would have been utterly stupid for this protest to be upheld. Desperation from Ferrari

Not sure what you are trying to show, but theres nothing wrong in that pic

[f1jcw]

The rules are written in a way that allows for interpretation. If the rule makers wanted it to be clear cut, then they could make it that any tyre-to-line contact was "crossing". Or that having the outermost part of the tyre vertically overlie a plane in the middle of the painted line was crossing, or various other scenarios.

I interpret it that they "crossed" the line in the same way that drivers cut corners but haven't left the track. I don't think they really gained significantly (not speaking as a RB fan), so it's a question of whether to penalise for the letter of the law being broken if that's the case.

As always, we just want consistency and it's always lacking. And they appear to have failed to account for other events that had a greater impact on the final race order, what can you do

Seems up there with "any" and "all"
Maybe one day we can have racing that isn't run by jokers

[GrizzleBoy]

On what grounds? So there is no rule on crossing the pit line? Can't have one without the other, surely there is clarification needed?

Sorry not gesturing to you, just broadly at the stupidity of this!

According to Benson neither of them had a full wheel over the line so no infringement of the rule.

From what I can tell

It was a infringement in the 2021 rules
But in 2022 they added an amendment in the appendix
But the in the rules themselves it was cut and pasted from 2021 but not from the Appendix

hmmmmmm

FIA is a mess.

[chrisc90]

Red Bull could have hook line and sinkered them with this photo from Saudi.

https://i.ibb.co/w77Rv18/284524799-5162 ... 6429-n.png


Would have been utterly stupid for this protest to be upheld. Desperation from Ferrari

Not sure what you are trying to show, but theres nothing wrong in that pic

Charles crossing the pit entry line. However that was a few races ago

[f1jcw]

Red Bull could have hook line and sinkered them with this photo from Saudi.

https://i.ibb.co/w77Rv18/284524799-5162 ... 6429-n.png


Would have been utterly stupid for this protest to be upheld. Desperation from Ferrari

Not sure what you are trying to show, but theres nothing wrong in that pic

Charles crossing the pit entry line. However that was a few races ago

It is only a rule exiting, you are allowed to cross if you are on the track

[214270]

Not sure what you are trying to show, but theres nothing wrong in that pic

Charles crossing the pit entry line. However that was a few races ago

It is only a rule exiting, you are allowed to cross if you are on the track

…and not entering the pits.

[turbof1]

The rules are written in a way that allows for interpretation. If the rule makers wanted it to be clear cut, then they could make it that any tyre-to-line contact was "crossing". Or that having the outermost part of the tyre vertically overlie a plane in the middle of the painted line was crossing, or various other scenarios.

I interpret it that they "crossed" the line in the same way that drivers cut corners but haven't left the track. I don't think they really gained significantly (not speaking as a RB fan), so it's a question of whether to penalise for the letter of the law being broken if that's the case.

As always, we just want consistency and it's always lacking. And they appear to have failed to account for other events that had a greater impact on the final race order, what can you do

We are talking about a 10cm wide stripe here. Try defining all the different stripes in the rules to the exact edge or an exact location on its surface. That is frankly way over the top and overshoots the goal. The intent here is to keep pit exit traffic separated from the racing traffic.

I would agree with you if this was a discussion about a technical regulation. Regarding sporting regulation, I think the interpretation with the most common sense was given to the involved rule. I do not think we had such a case yet, where a driver touches the line but does not cross it. Can't be consistent on things that happen for the first time.

[214270]

FER victims of the FIA saying one thing and doing another. As Binotto mentioned the clarification says, not to ‘touch’ the line. Now they’ve gone back on their own clarification and are no longer beholden to ‘touching’ - now we’re back to crossing.

[chrisc90]

Not sure what you are trying to show, but theres nothing wrong in that pic

Charles crossing the pit entry line. However that was a few races ago

It is only a rule exiting, you are allowed to cross if you are on the track

The same rule is also written the same for entry to the pitlane. Looking at the ISC, it doesnt seem to make reference to crossing the line and staying out from what I read under that section. But I then guess you could use the same principle for deciding not to pit after committing to the pitlane 'entrance'. I always thought crossing the pit line after being in the pitlane was a punishable offence. Sure Tsunoda?? got that treatment in one of the Austria races last year.