2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

[DAMNINice]

You are fully right.
I guess it’s more two tire widths over the line than one.

I find it ridiculous how inconsistent and slow the FIA deals with their own rules.

Abu Dhabi aside which was the pinnacle of farces … it needs to be very easy.

“Oh let’s see. There was an incident on pit exit”
So they go into a database
“Pit exit line”
Found… rule says “bla”
They check the video …
-> yep. Made a mistake. Needs to be penalised

Next column “what to do”
5s penalty

“Check”

Does not take more than 30s from seeing it, searching the rule book and finding the associated penalty.

[wogx]

Does anyone have videos of those two incidents between Ocon and Hamilton?

[Tvetovnato]

According ti the FIA the tyre only touched the line but did not fully go accross it. Case closed. We have a precedent.

The problem with the FIAs so called precedents are that a) they seem to change or b) doesn’t matter at all

[turbof1]

According ti the FIA the tyre only touched the line but did not fully go accross it. Case closed. We have a precedent.

Only if your name starts with V, and you drive a navy blue/yellow/red car

Btw, here is the onboard video. I have a hard time believing that tire didn't fully cross the yellow line.

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

Also, the video mentioned above does not show where the tyre makes contact with the ground. The camera does a bit of perspective distortion. The commentators themselves said "we need a different angle". Try to look for yourself: the footage from Leclerc shows clearly where the tyre makes contact with the stripe.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

[Watto]

According ti the FIA the tyre only touched the line but did not fully go accross it. Case closed. We have a precedent.

Only if your name starts with V, and you drive a navy blue/yellow/red car

Btw, here is the onboard video. I have a hard time believing that tire didn't fully cross the yellow line.

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

Also, the video mentioned above does not show where the tyre makes contact with the ground. The camera does a bit of perspective distortion. The commentators themselves said "we need a different angle". Try to look for yourself: the footage from Leclerc shows clearly where the tyre makes contact with the stripe.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

Agreed.

From Max's onboard it looked like he was well over,

From LeClerc's it looked on the line but not sure it was over, without perhaps an overhead or another angle to show more clearly, wasn't the best quality footage with the wet.

I don't think its bias, as you said, rather just inconsistent, if they make the same calls all through the season its a non issue. From race to race track limits varying, depending on the stewards on hand I think you could look at any team an accuse of bias (the FIA changing the pit protocols from memory from pushing from Merc aimed to curbing RB) the accusations against Ferrari in the tyre test a few weeks ago with the floor change. The latter the FIA gave heir judgement so be it we move on, seen some drivers pinged for not slowing under doubled waved yellows others in almost identical situation not (I recall one last year Max got a reprimand for not slowing under yellow that was their for the briefest of moments but it was there, Lewis a few races similar, was from memory no penalized as the stewards said their yellow was a mistake only there for a few seconds though LH onboard show he clearled went through it, just week to week inconsistency some like to draw rather big conclusions into

[silver]

According ti the FIA the tyre only touched the line but did not fully go accross it. Case closed. We have a precedent.

Only if your name starts with V, and you drive a navy blue/yellow/red car

Btw, here is the onboard video. I have a hard time believing that tire didn't fully cross the yellow line.

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

Also, the video mentioned above does not show where the tyre makes contact with the ground. The camera does a bit of perspective distortion. The commentators themselves said "we need a different angle". Try to look for yourself: the footage from Leclerc shows clearly where the tyre makes contact with the stripe.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

As a reference, this is what happened in Saudi.

This is Leclerc crossing pit lane entry line while trying a move on Verstappen.


This is Leclerc trying to defend from Verstappen.

[dialtone]

Only if your name starts with V, and you drive a navy blue/yellow/red car

Btw, here is the onboard video. I have a hard time believing that tire didn't fully cross the yellow line.

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

Also, the video mentioned above does not show where the tyre makes contact with the ground. The camera does a bit of perspective distortion. The commentators themselves said "we need a different angle". Try to look for yourself: the footage from Leclerc shows clearly where the tyre makes contact with the stripe.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

As a reference, this is what happened in Saudi.

This is Leclerc crossing pit lane entry line while trying a move on Verstappen.


This is Leclerc trying to defend from Verstappen.

Just to be clear: it’s 100% legal to do what Lec did in Jeddah.

[Mchamilton]

Does anyone have videos of those two incidents between Ocon and Hamilton?

Thats the only one they showed on TV.
Lewis half a car along side, tries to back out before ocon just turns in for the apex anyway

[ThumbsUp]

Does anyone have videos of those two incidents between Ocon and Hamilton?

Thats the only one they showed on TV.
Lewis half a car along side, tries to back out before ocon just turns in for the apex anyway

I guess it's this one where Ocon got the penalty for:
https://streamja.com/7KBGz

[Mogster]

There were other incidents that weren’t shown on TV apparently. Ocon squeezed Hamilton against the barrier from what people have said. With the radio delay it’s hard to tell which incident the recording refers to.

[GrizzleBoy]

Does anyone have videos of those two incidents between Ocon and Hamilton?

Thats the only one they showed on TV.
Lewis half a car along side, tries to back out before ocon just turns in for the apex anyway

I guess it's this one where Ocon got the penalty for:
https://streamja.com/7KBGz

Yeah I think it's this one.

He was probably already on thin ice when he turned in earlier, but putting Lewis in the wall probably pushed them to penalise.

Why it took till lap 33 to give the penalty and why Alpine refused to actually tell their drivers so Alonso didn't hold up Ocon behind Hamilton for almost half the race is another question entirely.

[Cuky]

Isn't it harsh to expect a penalty for touching a line under conditions of a damp Monaco, cold tyres and a slippery side out of the racing line. No matter which driver, driving which car.

In the past drivers were penalized for touching the line at the pit exit in Monza where it is on the straight. And in dry conditions as well.

[kalinka]

Alpine wanted to create a cushion ahead of Alonso, so he can speed up later - pulling Hamilton and Ocon with him - and create enough gap behind Ocon to counter the 5s penalty. Merc realized this, and Hamilton didn't go with Alonso.... held up Ocon to make it more painful for Alpine. Don't know how could Alpine think that Hamilton will just play their game.

[morefirejules08]

Only if your name starts with V, and you drive a navy blue/yellow/red car

Btw, here is the onboard video. I have a hard time believing that tire didn't fully cross the yellow line.

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

Also, the video mentioned above does not show where the tyre makes contact with the ground. The camera does a bit of perspective distortion. The commentators themselves said "we need a different angle". Try to look for yourself: the footage from Leclerc shows clearly where the tyre makes contact with the stripe.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

Agreed.

From Max's onboard it looked like he was well over,

From LeClerc's it looked on the line but not sure it was over, without perhaps an overhead or another angle to show more clearly, wasn't the best quality footage with the wet.

I don't think its bias, as you said, rather just inconsistent, if they make the same calls all through the season its a non issue. From race to race track limits varying, depending on the stewards on hand I think you could look at any team an accuse of bias (the FIA changing the pit protocols from memory from pushing from Merc aimed to curbing RB) the accusations against Ferrari in the tyre test a few weeks ago with the floor change. The latter the FIA gave heir judgement so be it we move on, seen some drivers pinged for not slowing under doubled waved yellows others in almost identical situation not (I recall one last year Max got a reprimand for not slowing under yellow that was their for the briefest of moments but it was there, Lewis a few races similar, was from memory no penalized as the stewards said their yellow was a mistake only there for a few seconds though LH onboard show he clearled went through it, just week to week inconsistency some like to draw rather big conclusions into

Sorry but that is not what happened at all.
Max drove through double waved yellows and at least one light board with a car clearly stopped on the side of the track. Those yellows were legitimately thrown by a Marshall as they have a degree of autonomy over race control.
On the other hand Hamilton drove past a yellow light board which was illuminated for such a brief amount of time it was inhumanly possible to react too.

[jz11]

that penalty for Ocon seems odd, it makes about as much sense as the pit exit thing, it is quite obvious they ignored the pit exit line thing so it wouldn't change the end result, not with the benefit of RB in mind, but changing podiums after the race when the offense happened long before end of the race is never a good thing, it's the damn if you do and damn if you don't sort of situation, RB would appeal that had they known about the penalty right then, they might change the race strategy accordingly, and we also don't know if or how many other drivers did the same thing, since they were not involved in the fight for win/podium places, so had they decided to penalize RB drivers, the others would then have to be as well (other teams would file protests), and it turns from track racing to court room racing - which is very bad

Ocon incident and penalty is basically meaningless on the other hand, but it serves another purpose - it sets a precedent (not that they care much about them), I don't know why would they say Ocon initiated the contact - which served as basis for penalty, since there is absolutely no way for him to judge if Lewis is side by side or not, bad decision to give out penalty for such a thing, especially considering the track