2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Spoutnik]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

[Alonsismo]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

alonso in spa 2010 had the car with a lot of damage due to Barrichello hitting him at the begining of the race...
it was not Alonso's fault

we lost 2010 because ferrari wall was stupid on abu dhabi pitting fernando to cover from webber when they only need to do its own race because they were WDC leaders.

Alonso is the better driver ferrari had since MSC, and he was better than ferrari all 5 years he was in the team

[Shal_Leg16]

What a non sense... When did RB this season go for "the kill" while Ferrari didn't? some of your arguments are ridiculous.

He might think about pitting under SC in Miami for Perez, or going for the undercut and doing an extra stop in Barhein for Verstappen.
Last season they were going for the kill too, Abu Dhabi or even Jeddah are prime example of their "extra risk" strategy (underfueling Perez's car, pitting every time under SC or VSC, putting Verstappen on the softer tyres to keep track position at the restart after the red flag even if it's costly on race pace hoping for another SC...).

Regarding the debate on Sainz the last 2 pages I think you have to remember Perez had a dreadful start of season in 2021.. but was a very valuable asset at the end of the season

We have to come back to this discussion we had few pages ago before this race...
Ferrari is making RB strategy team look like world beater

as a leclerc & ferrari fan..i didnt like it when i said that but its ture. RB are miles ahead of Ferrari.

yesterday not only did they got the tyres wrong, they fooking kept leclerc waiting for 3 seconds in that double stack. had they called leclerc a lap later he would have stopped max jumping. these are immature mistakes . hell i was not even surprised. when i saw rain i was prepared. they fooking fail to get it right in normal dry situation forget about wet

i dont know who handles that strategy department in Ferrari but whoever that is ...must be sacked asap.

[Shal_Leg16]

Only 2 words to sum up this race. For Redbull - AMAZING and for Ferrari- HORROR.
There is no other way I can articulate or express myself. I expect this million dollar team and personnel to make correct judgement and take correct action where needed in this high stake pinnacle of motorsports. How can this happen? Just a horror show.
I don’t know how this team can turn around now. Redbull can win and showed it can win with the second best car of the weekend by simply playing strategy at their opponent.
There was or is will be a season if all areas are not addressed and improved to right level.
I like to know the thoughts of experts and more experienced fans.

The only bad call Ferrari had was having Charles come in the pits with Sainz already there which lost Charles maybe 2 seconds.

Sainz lost over 2 seconds behind Latifi and Charles lost 4 seconds behind Albon. Further Sainz call to not cover Perez not only lost Sainz the win, but also messed up all the plans for the team.

This is Sainz v Latifi:
https://i.imgur.com/twCJ3zp.png

This is Sainz with Latifi lap vs Sainz next:
https://i.imgur.com/pC3Fvd0.png

and this is Verstappen first 2 laps when he switched to hards:
https://i.imgur.com/DHgn2Ii.png

Leclerc is even worse than that given that Albon ignored every blue flag during the lap and Leclerc could only pass because Albon went long in T1.

If anything was embarassing this race was race director. On top of the line crossing RedBull was without tyres on with 3 minutes to go on the delayed start, a penalty of 10" stop&go and other further stuff.

Race is done, and Ferrari made their mistake of calling Leclerc in instead of covering Verstappen at that point, but it's ridiculous to talk like Ferrari is the only responsible for what happened.

im ready to give them pass for the tyre messup , its acceptable considering the wet situation and all the stuff but they kept charles waiting for 3 seconds in that double stack ,had they kept him out he had pitted on same lap as RB double stacked with 4 sec advantage on max. a good fast stop and 2nd or 3rd was still possible. these are immature mistakes . all blaim on them .

[Shal_Leg16]

sainz made a 10 out of 10 race, his understanding of the race conditions were just perfect.
sainz comback has started, and now he is in the way to the tittle.

I dont know, he was 4 tenths slower in wet vs Leclerc. Lets see what Baku holds, but here he wasnt on pace.

i don think sainz was pushing on wet, because it wasnt necessary, and the most important thing was not making an error.
if latifi didnt made a latifi with those blu flags, sainz would have won the race due to his great understanding of the conditions.

today he was like button on a wet race.

now we need the upgrades that will fit the sainz setup to the car, and Ferrari will have Sainz doing his maximum and beating leclerc.

".... beating Leclerc "

, one good result and the circus is on. anyways good luck to your dreams and sainz .

one small observation though....it always has to be some mess for Sainz to get a good result. in normal/event free situation he is no where near, still learning the car

[JPower]

Only 2 words to sum up this race. For Redbull - AMAZING and for Ferrari- HORROR.
There is no other way I can articulate or express myself. I expect this million dollar team and personnel to make correct judgement and take correct action where needed in this high stake pinnacle of motorsports. How can this happen? Just a horror show.
I don’t know how this team can turn around now. Redbull can win and showed it can win with the second best car of the weekend by simply playing strategy at their opponent.
There was or is will be a season if all areas are not addressed and improved to right level.
I like to know the thoughts of experts and more experienced fans.

7 races in and you’ve already called the season.

I’ll never understamd people who act like one event at the beginning of a season can portend everything to occur thereafter. Sports fans especially. It never turns out how people predict.

As I said yesterday, RB was further out front in the constructors at this point in the season last year and still ended up losing.

There are 15 races left. Stop overreacting.

[Sieper]

Ferrari looked mighty quick. locked out the front row in the hands of Leclerc by some margin (albeit Max was on a lap that was on for P2 on saturday when the red flag came out) and last race Leclerc was also comfortably leading (until the turbo-mguh crapped out). 15 races to go so really all is on the table. Not even Mercedes is yet fully out of the race.

[CRazyLemon]

5/7 Race wins for RBR, 4 in a row. Ferrari need a win soon.

[selvam_e2002]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

alonso in spa 2010 had the car with a lot of damage due to Barrichello hitting him at the begining of the race...
it was not Alonso's fault

we lost 2010 because ferrari wall was stupid on abu dhabi pitting fernando to cover from webber when they only need to do its own race because they were WDC leaders.

Alonso is the better driver ferrari had since MSC, and he was better than ferrari all 5 years he was in the team

100% right. If Ferrari do like this they cannot win another wdc and wcc. pathetic race strategy for Lecrec.

[Andres125sx]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

Sure, Alonso lost the title because of a crash on a free practice session...

Both 2010 and 2012 seasons, Alonso was so fast and consistent some experts have even quoted those seasons as one the best for any F1 driver ever.


Since Brawn departure, Ferrari strategy has been their Achiles heel.

They noticed too late Inters were faster, actually it was so late, slicks were the best choice at that point, but they didn´t notice either.

Only Sainz reaction saved some crucial points for Ferrari. Even Lecrerc should be happy for that, he was 4th with Max 3rd, but if they do same mistake with Sainz, it would have been 1-2 for RBR, and you can be sure they´d have swaped cars so Verstappen takes the victory. Even if Ferrari do the same, it would have been 1st for Max and 3rd for Lecrerc, so he´d have lost 7 more points with Max (3rd-4th -> -3points, 1st-3rd ->-10points)

[S D]

There many ways to look at this race. Not all are negative, yes in dry conditions Ferrari 1-2 however it was wet and predictions are tough. RBR had nothing to loose and even made a bad decision to go to mediums and got away with it. Had Charles gone to hard tires and crashed the car then we would be complaining about that decision too.

On the positive side now. In this disaster as it is seen Carlos gained 3 points on Verstappen and caught up to Russell, and Charles only lost 3 to Verstappen. The real winner was Checo. Also more daylight was gained against Mercedes, who could very well improve and start taking points away. RBR are within striking distance and Mercedes are not.

Had Ferrari not lost time behind back markers and if RBR received penalties for crossing the line then we would all be celebrating .

It's not too long ago that we were all hoping that Ferrari could get closer to the top two teams and possibly pass RBR and get closer to Mercs. This year Mercs are in no man's land. Go to their blogs and see the complaining over there.

I would rather choose to be patient and we will see wins this year. One RBR DNF and we take the lead again. BTW, if you think it's easy, then post in real time what lap each driver should pit and for which tire.

[Spoutnik]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

Sure, Alonso lost the title because of a crash on a free practice session...

Both 2010 and 2012 seasons, Alonso was so fast and consistent some experts have even quoted those seasons as one the best for any F1 driver ever.


Since Brawn departure, Ferrari strategy has been their Achiles heel.

They noticed too late Inters were faster, actually it was so late, slicks were the best choice at that point, but they didn´t notice either.

Only Sainz reaction saved some crucial points for Ferrari. Even Lecrerc should be happy for that, he was 4th with Max 3rd, but if they do same mistake with Sainz, it would have been 1-2 for RBR, and you can be sure they´d have swaped cars so Verstappen takes the victory. Even if Ferrari do the same, it would have been 1st for Max and 3rd for Lecrerc, so he´d have lost 7 more points with Max (3rd-4th -> -3points, 1st-3rd ->-10points)

I agree for this narrative for his 2012 season but not for 2010 sorry, and yes when you put it into the wall in FP3 in Monaco and you start from the back of the grid and the margin for the title are so narrow each point count. Alonso was the fastest in FP1 and FP2. Massa put the car in 4th place. I'm sorry but it was a guarenteed podium for Alonso. It doesn't change the fact Ferrari strategy department is full of clowns on some races it seems.

Sainz drove a great race, made a miraculous save in the straight line. Even with his reaction they wanted to pit him they just told him to stay out at the very last moment. I'm curious to know the "process of decision making" for this kind of call at Ferrari.
The call was right for Sainz, and it might have been "not so wrong" for Leclerc at the second pit stop : without Albon he could've been 3rd probably. The big mistake was the first top.

[lh13]

Alonso lost the title by crashing in FP3 in Monaco and race in Spa, don't forget it

Sure, Alonso lost the title because of a crash on a free practice session...

Both 2010 and 2012 seasons, Alonso was so fast and consistent some experts have even quoted those seasons as one the best for any F1 driver ever.


Since Brawn departure, Ferrari strategy has been their Achiles heel.

They noticed too late Inters were faster, actually it was so late, slicks were the best choice at that point, but they didn´t notice either.

Only Sainz reaction saved some crucial points for Ferrari. Even Lecrerc should be happy for that, he was 4th with Max 3rd, but if they do same mistake with Sainz, it would have been 1-2 for RBR, and you can be sure they´d have swaped cars so Verstappen takes the victory. Even if Ferrari do the same, it would have been 1st for Max and 3rd for Lecrerc, so he´d have lost 7 more points with Max (3rd-4th -> -3points, 1st-3rd ->-10points)

Yeah. If Ferrari strategists had any sense, Alonso would be 4 time world champion at least, or Vettel probably 5 or 6 ('17, '18).

[wogx]

[f1316]

Ultimately the last two races have been really disappointing - with huge points lost to somewhat self-imposed issues, without which both championships would be looking great. However, if I were a Red Bull fan I’d be thinking “yeah, and we had two races with issues costing us lots of points too”. Building the car so it doesn’t make the flag is also a team issue (which is why I count Leclerc’s DNF in Spain as self-imposed) and we can’t say “Ferrari are clowns for messing up strategy but when Red Bull’s car breaks down that’s just bad luck” - both are team failures.

So I kinda see the two teams equal right now in terms of messing up and losing points. The difference then comes down go driver error - with Leclerc’s mistake in Imola making the difference vs Max and Sainz’s many adventures costing him against Checo. For everything that’s happened, I’m also struggling to think of any errors either RB driver has made tbh (correct me if I’m wrong) other Perez in Monaco quali I guess.

(Edit: and btw, Leclerc has also been phenomenally fast - arguably the fastest driver - this year, so I think he can be forgiven his single error).

The good news from mine and Ferrari’s perspectives is the car looks like the class of the field at the moment. We’ll see on upcoming high speed circuits but my sense is that the car has phenomenal traction and a strong engine, so now the floor is apparently working well I suspect they’ll be strong at the stop-start tracks.

So disappointing couple of races but still think there are reasons for optimism. We would have taken these championship standings if offered at the end of last season, particularly if we had what appears to be the fastest car.