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[f1316]

Another I’ll just add is that people keep saying that Sainz was right to push back and switch only to slicks; yet, the winner of the race went into inters first. He was so fast on the inters that it was worth doing. So it’s not that “Sainz was right”, it’s a question of timing.

Ferrari wanted to react to what Red Bull was doing rather than lead the strategy and it was that abundance of caution - probably driven by the fear of such a huge backlash from the media, especially in Italy - that caused them to dither.

It’s not that the people are stupid, it’s that working at Ferrari is like having the pressure turned up to eleventy-stupid. It’s harder than at other teams because the fear of error is so great that it causes a conservativism that doesn’t exist elsewhere - just look at what a big deal Binotto made this year about how design choices made on the car were the riskier ones that seemed to show higher potential - most other teams probably always do that - but at Ferrari the fear of f-ing up makes them take the conservative route more often than not. Sometimes that’s pragmatic but it doesn’t translate well to real time strategy.

[Andres125sx]

Another I’ll just add is that people keep saying that Sainz was right to push back and switch only to slicks; yet, the winner of the race went into inters first. He was so fast on the inters that it was worth doing. So it’s not that “Sainz was right”, it’s a question of timing.

True, but Sainz was right anycase. Perez proved that was the best strategy, but once any other driver/team did not put inters at that point, when Ferrari did call Sainz to pits, then inters were NOT the best choice, at that point it was slicks. Each tire have its own window

As I said, Ferrari did 2 mistakes, do not notice Inters were the best tire when Perez/RBR did, and then some laps later try to put inters when at that point inters window was gone and slicks window was open

It’s not that the people are stupid, it’s that working at Ferrari is like having the pressure turned up to eleventy-stupid. It’s harder than at other teams because the fear of error is so great that it causes a conservativism that doesn’t exist elsewhere - just look at what a big deal Binotto made this year about how design choices made on the car were the riskier ones that seemed to show higher potential - most other teams probably always do that - but at Ferrari the fear of f-ing up makes them take the conservative route more often than not. Sometimes that’s pragmatic but it doesn’t translate well to real time strategy.

Sorry but what a load of BS. Any F1 team suffer high pressure, Ferrari is just another team, if you think Alfa or McLaren are not under high pressure, you know nothing about F1

[Drift4794]

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[F1NAC]

RE Perez pitting...

Didn't he exit behind Lando after pitting for inters? and then he pitted after Perez? Could be that Ferrari counted that Norris could hold Perez up and wait till switch on slicks?

Or am I remembering wrong?

Either way, i found myself screaming after leclerc created a gap for Norris to pit for inters.. But it is easy with hindsight now...

[CRazyLemon]

RE Perez pitting...

Didn't he exit behind Lando after pitting for inters? and then he pitted after Perez? Could be that Ferrari counted that Norris could hold Perez up and wait till switch on slicks?

Or am I remembering wrong?

Either way, i found myself screaming after leclerc created a gap for Norris to pit for inters.. But it is easy with hindsight now...

This did happen, I myself was hoping Norris would hold up Perez.

[Shal_Leg16]

Another I’ll just add is that people keep saying that Sainz was right to push back and switch only to slicks; yet, the winner of the race went into inters first. He was so fast on the inters that it was worth doing. So it’s not that “Sainz was right”, it’s a question of timing.

Ferrari wanted to react to what Red Bull was doing rather than lead the strategy and it was that abundance of caution - probably driven by the fear of such a huge backlash from the media, especially in Italy - that caused them to dither.

It’s not that the people are stupid, it’s that working at Ferrari is like having the pressure turned up to eleventy-stupid. It’s harder than at other teams because the fear of error is so great that it causes a conservativism that doesn’t exist elsewhere - just look at what a big deal Binotto made this year about how design choices made on the car were the riskier ones that seemed to show higher potential - most other teams probably always do that - but at Ferrari the fear of f-ing up makes them take the conservative route more often than not. Sometimes that’s pragmatic but it doesn’t translate well to real time strategy.

its not about pressure here they got it technically wrong.

when parez switched to intermediates , ferrari thought that since Leclerc was some 6-7 seconds ahead he was safe and the undercut was a threat for sainz. thay called sainz in first but Sainz didnt pit and in that discussion charles was left in the dry and they lost 2 laps hence perez jummped both. Right call should have been double stack on the immidiate next lap when perez pitted.

well its obviously easy to say all this in hindsight but still...one thing is sure they misjudged the wet to intermediate tyre lap difference. small mistakes big consequences.

[Raleigh]

Needed to pit immediately with the Red Bulls. You can't play games when in the lead, just cover off the cars behind.

[Spoutnik]

Needed to pit immediately with the Red Bulls. You can't play games when in the lead, just cover off the cars behind.

On certain tracks you need to pit first otherwise you're dead. It's the case in drying condition. It's the case at Singapore also, even if it's dry, that's why Ferrari end up making Vettel P1 by pitting him in first in 2019 in order to cover off Hamilton/Bottas/Verstappen behind.

[f1316]

Another I’ll just add is that people keep saying that Sainz was right to push back and switch only to slicks; yet, the winner of the race went into inters first. He was so fast on the inters that it was worth doing. So it’s not that “Sainz was right”, it’s a question of timing.

True, but Sainz was right anycase. Perez proved that was the best strategy, but once any other driver/team did not put inters at that point, when Ferrari did call Sainz to pits, then inters were NOT the best choice, at that point it was slicks. Each tire have its own window

As I said, Ferrari did 2 mistakes, do not notice Inters were the best tire when Perez/RBR did, and then some laps later try to put inters when at that point inters window was gone and slicks window was open

It’s not that the people are stupid, it’s that working at Ferrari is like having the pressure turned up to eleventy-stupid. It’s harder than at other teams because the fear of error is so great that it causes a conservativism that doesn’t exist elsewhere - just look at what a big deal Binotto made this year about how design choices made on the car were the riskier ones that seemed to show higher potential - most other teams probably always do that - but at Ferrari the fear of f-ing up makes them take the conservative route more often than not. Sometimes that’s pragmatic but it doesn’t translate well to real time strategy.

Sorry but what a load of BS. Any F1 team suffer high pressure, Ferrari is just another team, if you think Alfa or McLaren are not under high pressure, you know nothing about F1

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you knows nothing about F1…. I’m definitely the first person to mention that Ferrari staff operate under huge pressure because of Italian media scrutiny etc ( and yeah, it’s exactly the same in the Swiss press for Sauber….); it’s definitely not a very commonly discussed issue…

[JPower]

Carlos Sainz at Fiorano Circuit with Ferrari F1-75

Good to see Ferrari taking the opportunity instead of turning it down and getting Sainz more seat time as well.

It might be a little tough during the next doubleheader given the track characteristics but I think Ferrari is still well placed in this fight.

[Fer.Fan]

Carlos Sainz at Fiorano Circuit with Ferrari F1-75

Is it Pirelli tyre testning or what? Testning is not allowed nowdays…

[scuderiafan]

Looks like Pirelli test:

[f1316]

Carlos Sainz at Fiorano Circuit with Ferrari F1-75

Good to see Ferrari taking the opportunity instead of turning it down and getting Sainz more seat time as well.

It might be a little tough during the next doubleheader given the track characteristics but I think Ferrari is still well placed in this fight.

I still think high speed circuits not favouring Ferrari is a myth - where they’ve been behind this year it’s been about tyre mgmt not top speed. The engine is strong and traction is going to be vital for stop/start circuits, so if they trim out some wing (which I’m sure they will) they’ll be in good shape in both of the next two races.

[Andres125sx]

Another I’ll just add is that people keep saying that Sainz was right to push back and switch only to slicks; yet, the winner of the race went into inters first. He was so fast on the inters that it was worth doing. So it’s not that “Sainz was right”, it’s a question of timing.

True, but Sainz was right anycase. Perez proved that was the best strategy, but once any other driver/team did not put inters at that point, when Ferrari did call Sainz to pits, then inters were NOT the best choice, at that point it was slicks. Each tire have its own window

As I said, Ferrari did 2 mistakes, do not notice Inters were the best tire when Perez/RBR did, and then some laps later try to put inters when at that point inters window was gone and slicks window was open

It’s not that the people are stupid, it’s that working at Ferrari is like having the pressure turned up to eleventy-stupid. It’s harder than at other teams because the fear of error is so great that it causes a conservativism that doesn’t exist elsewhere - just look at what a big deal Binotto made this year about how design choices made on the car were the riskier ones that seemed to show higher potential - most other teams probably always do that - but at Ferrari the fear of f-ing up makes them take the conservative route more often than not. Sometimes that’s pragmatic but it doesn’t translate well to real time strategy.

Sorry but what a load of BS. Any F1 team suffer high pressure, Ferrari is just another team, if you think Alfa or McLaren are not under high pressure, you know nothing about F1

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you knows nothing about F1…. I’m definitely the first person to mention that Ferrari staff operate under huge pressure because of Italian media scrutiny etc ( and yeah, it’s exactly the same in the Swiss press for Sauber….); it’s definitely not a very commonly discussed issue…

No, I never said that, I was talking to you, not to the world

Swiss press with Sauber, english press with McLaren, austrian with RBR... nothing new. Even if italian press is worse than any other, that does not mean pressure is different, pressure in F1 teams comes from bosses, huge money invested, and the need for results, not form press writing some article.

If Ferrari fail in a race strategy, pointing fingers to the press looks like a naive attempt to exonerate Ferrari from a Ferrari mistake It was a huge mistake wich did cost Ferrari a 1-2, and the sad part is it did not surprise anyone because Ferrari strategy is average at best for many many years now. Italian media plays zero role here, it´s a Ferrari strategy department problem

[wogx]

Maybe he should try WRC