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Lewis Hamilton 'knocked off his perch' by Mercedes teammate George Russell

Seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton has endured a dismal start to the 2022 season, and has been out-scored by young new teammate George Russell at Mercedes

Lewis Hamilton is no longer the top dog at Mercedes, according to commentator Eddie Jordan. It has been an extremely challenging campaign for the F1 seven-time champion thus far, who sits sixth in the drivers standings with just 50 points.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula- ... z322VYqHEI
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wogx wrote:
03 Jun 2022, 13:40
Lewis Hamilton 'knocked off his perch' by Mercedes teammate George Russell

Seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton has endured a dismal start to the 2022 season, and has been out-scored by young new teammate George Russell at Mercedes

Lewis Hamilton is no longer the top dog at Mercedes, according to commentator Eddie Jordan. It has been an extremely challenging campaign for the F1 seven-time champion thus far, who sits sixth in the drivers standings with just 50 points.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula- ... z322VYqHEI
And Eddie Jorden is Mercedes F1 boss :mrgreen:
We need a miracle. We need only one racing lap.

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Eddie Jordan… Mirror…
Rivals, not enemies.

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This morning there is an quote by some Mercedes factory aero guy on Planet F1 saying Lewis is no Schumacher!

Seems Planet-F1 read these forums!

I know that guy quoted is not the first mechanic to debase Lewis. Mark Priestly's of McLaren bitterness towards Lewis is widely known... But this is the first negative comment from a Mercedes team member. Interesting.


For George if you ignore the Netflix fanboys, it's all roses and compliments so far. Haven't got into the nitty gritty of their driving styles yet though.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
03 Jun 2022, 16:27
This morning there is an quote by some Mercedes factory aero guy on Planet F1 saying Lewis is no Schumacher!

Seems Planet-F1 read these forums!

I know that guy quoted is not the first mechanic to debase Lewis. Mark Priestly's of McLaren bitterness towards Lewis is widely known... But this is the first negative comment from a Mercedes team member. Interesting.


For George if you ignore the Netflix fanboys, it's all roses and compliments so far. Haven't got into the nitty gritty of their driving styles yet though.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-ham ... chumacher/
Philipp Brändle is an aerodynamicist who spent six years at Mercedes working on Hamilton’s cars so is a pretty good judge of how the seven-time World Champion operates.

The former Mercedes staff member has been speaking of Hamilton’s difficulties during a season in which he finds himself 75 points behind Championship leader Max Verstappen.

In the seven races of 2022, Hamilton has finished on the podium just once and while George Russell has shown an ability to get the most out of an underperforming car, Brändle said that Hamilton works best when he has confidence in the car.

“Lewis needs to have confidence in the car, which is very important to him,” Brändle said, as reported by speedweek.com. “He’s not like [Michael] Schumacher and doesn’t have the technical background. But he can feel the car particularly well.

Brändle was also quick to not rule Hamilton out of this year’s title race, commenting that he was 32 points behind the leader last year before fighting his way back to the top in much fewer races.

Mercedes appeared to have turned a corner in Spain in regards to their troubles with the W13 but last time out in Monaco, they again found themselves lacking pace.

Russell finished 11.968 seconds off race winner Sergio Perez while Hamilton was 50.388 behind the Mexican.

Mercedes’ trackside engineering director Andrew Shovlin said the Monaco circuit “highlighted our weaknesses.”

“It’s been a frustrating weekend for the team and drivers,” he wrote in Mercedes post-race debrief. “We weren’t anywhere near quick enough on one lap but even in the race we didn’t have enough pace.

“George did a good job to take P5 from Lando on the dry transition and also to hold him behind at the end of the race; luckily, he was only there for one lap. Lewis had a tough time sandwiched between the Alpines for most of the race – we just couldn’t find a way of putting him in free air without him needing to overtake which is near impossible.

“It also seemed that the cold conditions were making life quite difficult for the tyres and both our cars dropped off towards the end of the race. We’ve clearly got work to do ahead of Baku as there are a lot of similarities between the cornering sections and this track has highlighted our weaknesses.”

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Not having a technical background, sure. I think most drivers in the field lack a technical background in that sense. He points out that he feels the car particularly well, and that’s the most important thing, because then you can guide the direction they need to work on. Otherwise you would have to send them all on a five year university stint in mechanical engineering if that’s what’s needed.

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I think he was trying to say that Schumacher would say "add more toe" while Hamilton says "car is understeer"

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Anyone claiming Lewis needs a fast/perfect car, didn't watch the 2009 season.
Lewis performed miracles that year with a shitty car!
Mercedes AMG + Hamilton => dreamteam!
If you can't beat'em, call Masi!

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De Jokke wrote:
04 Jun 2022, 12:29
Anyone claiming Lewis needs a fast/perfect car, didn't watch the 2009 season.
Lewis performed miracles that year with a shitty car!
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McLaren's Ascension

McLaren's 2009 iteration—the MP4-24—has been the joke of the paddock for most of the season. Very rarely in the history of F1 does a team produce a car capable of being driven to a world championship one season only to produce a dog stuck at the back end the next, but this is exactly the car bestowed upon 2008 World Drivers' Champion Lewis Hamilton at the beginning of the season.

A joke it no longer is. After struggling to make Q2 as recently as Silverstone, the team moved an upgrade scheduled for the Hungaroring forward to the German Grand Prix. The upgrade immediately paid off, as the car gained 7-8 tenths of a second per lap in performance according to team principal Martin Whitmarsh.

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My guess is that their areo depends on the ride height, else they can't seal the floor good enough. That means they have to run low and hard, which works perfectly fine as long as the track is smooth. Monaco however is quite bumpy, so they must run softer suspension and thus a tad higher. That again is hurting them twice: aero efficiency and driveability.

All in all it seems Russel can deal with this better (who would've thought after driving a williams?) than Hamilton who drove a near perfect car for years. Yes Ham is a good driver, but still he seems to take a bit longer to adapt.

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Tzk wrote:
04 Jun 2022, 15:10
My guess is that their areo depends on the ride height, else they can't seal the floor good enough. That means they have to run low and hard, which works perfectly fine as long as the track is smooth. Monaco however is quite bumpy, so they must run softer suspension and thus a tad higher. That again is hurting them twice: aero efficiency and driveability.

All in all it seems Russel can deal with this better (who would've thought after driving a williams?) than Hamilton who drove a near perfect car for years. Yes Ham is a good driver, but still he seems to take a bit longer to adapt.
It's not adaptation but tyre temperature. Hamilton is not getting the tyre into the proper window in qualifying this year but his race pace overall has been better

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For Baku - last long straight will be crucial, if the car will be bouncing like hell they will lose a lot of time here. As this is city-track similar to Monaco I don't expect surface to be super flat... softer suspension will be needed again?

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Look at Melbourne, look at Sepang (making a mockery of webber in the dominant RBR car), enough said!
Mercedes AMG + Hamilton => dreamteam!
If you can't beat'em, call Masi!

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De Jokke wrote:
05 Jun 2022, 03:37
Look at Melbourne, look at Sepang (making a mockery of webber in the dominant RBR car), enough said!
Webber qualified a second off Button and Vettel qualified 6 tenths off Button in Australia.
Best times in Malaysia was recorded in Q2. Vettel qualified half a second off and Webber 9 tenths off Button in Malaysia.
Early part of the season, it was BrawnGP that was dominant. Only after Red Bull introduced their upgrades is when they became contenders.