2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 10 - 12

[Sieper]

Verstappen was in the pits for 8 minutes before his longrun, basically same as everyone else, so can't see any indicition why it should be with "less fuel". Or did the team confirm that in an interview?

Could that he did not refuel while in the pits or something. I don't really pay attention to predictions based on practice times though.

I watched the live stream. He was hooked up to the fuel line.

[PlatinumZealot]

Ha. Ferrari won't get away with qualifying ahead here! RedBull is fast in S3 and looks to have good tyre life.

[search]

Verstappen was in the pits for 8 minutes before his longrun, basically same as everyone else, so can't see any indicition why it should be with "less fuel". Or did the team confirm that in an interview?

Assumption is Perez was doing a race start sim with full fuel on mediums and verstappen was simulating a stint much later on in the race with maybe half a tank of fuel.

It is of course possible they were both doing race start sim, just on different tyres. In this case verstappen on soft is looking much better than perez on medium.

yeah, it's possible of course, or he also could have done gone for tyre saving as there were only a couple of minutes left anyway - I was just wondering how anyone could say with certainty. Normal procedure would be a normal "full" tank run, I think.

[Spoutnik]

A teamplay in S3 with the tow could be very very powerfull Leclerc gaining almost half a second with the tow on his hot lap with the medium.

Other than that these Alpine are so fast down the straight if they can get track position they'll be impossible to overtake

[chrisc90]

Twitter clip a bit off as both would have DRS in free practice l. In the race I’d expect the car in front (without drs) to be a sitting duck

[214270]

ALO looking good for best of the rest.

He’ll be tough to get past if he’s ahead of the pack.

[dialtone]

* Starting speed for Ferrari is slower than speed at finish line, this suggests a bit of margin there, according to delta_time that's about 0.05s
* Similarly in the straight to T3 there's some slower speed compared to RedBull which isn't there in the final straight acceleration and again it's a loss of about 0.05s.
* The loss of RPM at the end of the straights from Ferrari suggests either clipping or a low enough mode, however the loss of RPM doesn't happen in the straight to T15 (3000m distance in the lap).
* On the other hand, RedBull can probably upshift faster than they are doing in this lap, so there's some margin in both cars.
* RedBull is very good in the first 2 corners in S1.
* Other than those points, S1 is basically dead even timing wise.
* In S2 Ferrari manages to build a good lead thanks in large part to better traction out of twisty parts of S2 before again RBR catches up in speed at the end of the straight into T15. Ferrari somehow manages to be both later at braking and earlier on the accelerator.
* Top speed difference at finish line is 332kph for PER and 327 for LEC. Hard to know what causes this, could the engine mode of course, but I think it's more about porpoising and Ferrari might not be able to bridge this top speed gap at the end of the main straight.

Overall I think on the single lap Ferrari may have slightly bigger edge, but it will certainly be very close.



Race sim is a lot closer. According to Sky Italy VER ran with less fuel on board, they had a person in front of the RBR box to check this stuff. The race pace here anyway is very very close between the cars, so it will be a very close race.



Rest of the grid is nowhere... Merc seems good 3rd followed by Aston Martin and Alpine. I think this is the biggest gap in race sim so far, probably due to longer lap anyway.

[Juzh]

Twitter clip a bit off as both would have DRS in free practice l. In the race I’d expect the car in front (without drs) to be a sitting duck

Alonso didn't use drs at any point. Tsunoda was at this distance for 3-4 laps and couldn't do anything. Alpine is just very low on downforce.

[PlatinumZealot]

Mercedes should gain at least 0.5 seconds if they can tone down the bouncing. They will be 0.8s a lap slower at best basically.

[Bill]

according to f1 data its perez ,charles ,Gasly the top 3 team who are faster .alpine maybe faster on straight they carry visually no rear wing but that does not reflect inlap time.its one thing to be fast on a straight but how often can you repeat it matters too.if you do one fast lap on straight then next one you charge you batteries then that wil leave u exposed.

[nico5]

https://i.imgur.com/t0mZFX8.jpeg

* Starting speed for Ferrari is slower than speed at finish line, this suggests a bit of margin there, according to delta_time that's about 0.05s
* Similarly in the straight to T3 there's some slower speed compared to RedBull which isn't there in the final straight acceleration and again it's a loss of about 0.05s.
* The loss of RPM at the end of the straights from Ferrari suggests either clipping or a low enough mode, however the loss of RPM doesn't happen in the straight to T15 (3000m distance in the lap).
* On the other hand, RedBull can probably upshift faster than they are doing in this lap, so there's some margin in both cars.
* RedBull is very good in the first 2 corners in S1.
* Other than those points, S1 is basically dead even timing wise.
* In S2 Ferrari manages to build a good lead thanks in large part to better traction out of twisty parts of S2 before again RBR catches up in speed at the end of the straight into T15. Ferrari somehow manages to be both later at braking and earlier on the accelerator.
* Top speed difference at finish line is 332kph for PER and 327 for LEC. Hard to know what causes this, could the engine mode of course, but I think it's more about porpoising and Ferrari might not be able to bridge this top speed gap at the end of the main straight.

Overall I think on the single lap Ferrari may have slightly bigger edge, but it will certainly be very close.

https://i.imgur.com/YzRlpeT.png

Race sim is a lot closer. According to Sky Italy VER ran with less fuel on board, they had a person in front of the RBR box to check this stuff. The race pace here anyway is very very close between the cars, so it will be a very close race.

https://i.imgur.com/Cz67Dsf.png

Rest of the grid is nowhere... Merc seems good 3rd followed by Aston Martin and Alpine. I think this is the biggest gap in race sim so far, probably due to longer lap anyway.

Yeah, Verstappen on lower fuel certainly makes sense. RB kinda do it most of the time. On friday in Bahrain everyone was talking about their low 37 run and then they started the race in the mid 38s.
Also, from telemetry it's clear Max was doing lift and coast straightaway (he was reminded in his first lap), even in the 47.0 lap he was, while Leclerc was only told after his 47.2s and then his time went up to 47.8, so unless RB found some 8 tenth of advantage in race trim which has never been the case so far this season, it looks like he was a bit lighter.
Btw I think FP1 runs were perhaps more representative of what a maximum fuel run looks like (but the track was also greener so idk if that's really the case)

[silver]

Mercedes should gain at least 0.5 seconds if they can tone down the bouncing. They will be 0.8s a lap slower at best basically.

It's a compromise. If they want to avoid bouncing, they have to run stiff and/or increase the ride height which would lead to reduced performance through other sectors while giving stability on straight. It may also affect the tyre life. It's not like they are a bunch of fools that come to the track with the set up compromise they are running. Who knows, if they try to stop bouncing, it might make the overall performances worse than it is now.

[Gillian]

Mercedes should gain at least 0.5 seconds if they can tone down the bouncing. They will be 0.8s a lap slower at best basically.

It's a compromise. If they want to avoid bouncing, they have to run stiff and/or increase the ride height which would lead to reduced performance through other sectors while giving stability on straight. It may also affect the tyre life. It's not like they are a bunch of fools that come to the track with the set up compromise they are running. Who knows, if they try to stop bouncing, it might make the overall performances worse than it is now.

Stiffer? You mean softer I think? Stiffer suspension only would make the porpoising worse...

[dialtone]

Mercedes should gain at least 0.5 seconds if they can tone down the bouncing. They will be 0.8s a lap slower at best basically.

It's a compromise. If they want to avoid bouncing, they have to run stiff and/or increase the ride height which would lead to reduced performance through other sectors while giving stability on straight. It may also affect the tyre life. It's not like they are a bunch of fools that come to the track with the set up compromise they are running. Who knows, if they try to stop bouncing, it might make the overall performances worse than it is now.

Stiffer? You mean softer I think? Stiffer suspension only would make the porpoising worse...

No it wouldn't because it would require more force to lower the car to the point when the floor is stalling lifting the minimum speed where porpoising presents itself.

[Gillian]

It's a compromise. If they want to avoid bouncing, they have to run stiff and/or increase the ride height which would lead to reduced performance through other sectors while giving stability on straight. It may also affect the tyre life. It's not like they are a bunch of fools that come to the track with the set up compromise they are running. Who knows, if they try to stop bouncing, it might make the overall performances worse than it is now.

Stiffer? You mean softer I think? Stiffer suspension only would make the porpoising worse...

No it wouldn't because it would require more force to lower the car to the point when the floor is stalling lifting the minimum speed where porpoising presents itself.

I thought stiffer suspension means the porpoising happens from a higher speed (more tolerance) but increases the intensity. If I'm wrong, could you point me to where I can learn some more?