2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 10 - 12

[siskue2005]

I agree with George. The drivers will get life-long injuries if this continues. They can look at testing better suspension for 2023 or change the nature of the floor.

Russell should build better fitness than complain. There are so many other series like rallying where the physical stress is so huge, but drivers just do the job instead of asking to fix the tracks. Most teams have it under control and Mercedes/Ferrari should fix it too. I don't see a need to change the rules to bring any further complexity in suspensions.

I guess you said the same when last year at Baku when Max crashed. Max should build better fitness than complain about pirelli when he crashed at 300 kph, coz other teams didn't crash there and most teams had it under control.

Thing is, this is pinnacle of sport and its laughable that the cars cant even stay on straight line without bouncing.

[silver]

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the regs the way they are. Some teams have the problem figured out and have quick cars. I think its absolutely wrong and childish to be complaining about the rules because certain teams havent figured out the resolution to the issue. Surely they have some world class aero designers/engineers who can overcome this problem at Mercedes?

I wonder if George would share the same view if he was leading the WDC...

It's not that hard to know the answer. Mercedes is struggling and it's driver is looking for an easy way out with change of rules instead of his team finding a solution to their problem. There are other teams like Redbull, McLaren, Alfa, Alpha, Aston and even Williams who doesn't seem to have any issue. I doubt if anyone would sign up for the change and they shouldn't.

[silver]

I agree with George. The drivers will get life-long injuries if this continues. They can look at testing better suspension for 2023 or change the nature of the floor.

Russell should build better fitness than complain. There are so many other series like rallying where the physical stress is so huge, but drivers just do the job instead of asking to fix the tracks. Most teams have it under control and Mercedes/Ferrari should fix it too. I don't see a need to change the rules to bring any further complexity in suspensions.

I guess you said the same when last year at Baku when Max crashed. Max should build better fitness than complain about pirelli when he crashed at 300 kph, coz other teams didn't crash there and most teams had it under control.

Thing is, this is pinnacle of sport and its laughable that the cars cant even stay on straight line without bouncing.

Mercedes problems are not F1 problems.

[siskue2005]

Russell should build better fitness than complain. There are so many other series like rallying where the physical stress is so huge, but drivers just do the job instead of asking to fix the tracks. Most teams have it under control and Mercedes/Ferrari should fix it too. I don't see a need to change the rules to bring any further complexity in suspensions.

I guess you said the same when last year at Baku when Max crashed. Max should build better fitness than complain about pirelli when he crashed at 300 kph, coz other teams didn't crash there and most teams had it under control.

Thing is, this is pinnacle of sport and its laughable that the cars cant even stay on straight line without bouncing.

Mercedes problems are not F1 problems.

I guess Magnuessen is from Mercedes?

“I talked with Kevin after I think it was in Australia,” Madsen exclusively told PlanetF1. “He talked about how he had some nerve pain going out in his arm and in is his jaw.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/kevin-mag ... orpoising/

Sainz & Leclerc are also from Mercedes? perhaps
“We need to consider how much of a toll a driver should be paying for his back and his health in a Formula 1 career,” he said as per The Guardian.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... rm-health/

Leclerc : “To run as stiff for our necks and backs as we are having to run lately with this car mass, it’s a question for F1 and everyone to think about,” the Ferrari driver added.

“How much a driver needs to pay a price in his career and his health in order to combat it. I am thinking long term.”

[chrisc90]

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the regs the way they are. Some teams have the problem figured out and have quick cars. I think its absolutely wrong and childish to be complaining about the rules because certain teams havent figured out the resolution to the issue. Surely they have some world class aero designers/engineers who can overcome this problem at Mercedes?

I wonder if George would share the same view if he was leading the WDC...

It's not that hard to know the answer. Mercedes is struggling and it's driver is looking for an easy way out with change of rules instead of his team finding a solution to their problem. There are other teams like Redbull, McLaren, Alfa, Alpha, Aston and even Williams who doesn't seem to have any issue. I doubt if anyone would sign up for the change and they shouldn't.

Exactly. Just PR63 doing the PR work for his teams struggles. Not the first time its happened this season and I bet it work be the last either. Typical Mercedes really. It's never their problem, Its the sports fault. I just dont think they have the guts to come out and say their built a poor car this season.

[siskue2005]

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the regs the way they are. Some teams have the problem figured out and have quick cars. I think its absolutely wrong and childish to be complaining about the rules because certain teams havent figured out the resolution to the issue. Surely they have some world class aero designers/engineers who can overcome this problem at Mercedes?

I wonder if George would share the same view if he was leading the WDC...

It's not that hard to know the answer. Mercedes is struggling and it's driver is looking for an easy way out with change of rules instead of his team finding a solution to their problem. There are other teams like Redbull, McLaren, Alfa, Alpha, Aston and even Williams who doesn't seem to have any issue. I doubt if anyone would sign up for the change and they shouldn't.

Exactly. Just PR63 doing the PR work for his teams struggles. Not the first time its happened this season and I bet it work be the last either. Typical Mercedes really. It's never their problem, Its the sports fault. I just dont think they have the guts to come out and say their built a poor car this season.

Its not just Merc drivers, just see my post above

[Juzh]

It's not that hard to know the answer. Mercedes is struggling and it's driver is looking for an easy way out with change of rules instead of his team finding a solution to their problem. There are other teams like Redbull, McLaren, Alfa, Alpha, Aston and even Williams who doesn't seem to have any issue. I doubt if anyone would sign up for the change and they shouldn't.

Exactly. Just PR63 doing the PR work for his teams struggles. Not the first time its happened this season and I bet it work be the last either. Typical Mercedes really. It's never their problem, Its the sports fault. I just dont think they have the guts to come out and say their built a poor car this season.

Its not just Merc drivers, just see my post above

It's all the drivers whose teams can't sort out their cars. Solution is not that difficult, you just have to sacrifice performance to achieve it, something they refuse to do, and I'd bet lots of money Red bull is consciously doing. They are leaving performance on the table in some way or another to keep bouncing in check. If anything they should be going to the media and fia and lobby against any sudden changes.

[Hammerfist]

Exactly. Just PR63 doing the PR work for his teams struggles. Not the first time its happened this season and I bet it work be the last either. Typical Mercedes really. It's never their problem, Its the sports fault. I just dont think they have the guts to come out and say their built a poor car this season.

Its not just Merc drivers, just see my post above

It's all the drivers whose teams can't sort out their cars. Solution is not that difficult, you just have to sacrifice performance to achieve it, something they refuse to do, and I'd bet lots of money Red bull is consciously doing. They are leaving performance on the table in some way or another to keep bouncing in check. If anything they should be going to the media and fia and lobby against any sudden changes.

No it is definitely not.

Here is checo complaining about porpoising:

https://www.americanjournal.news/you-ca ... orpoising/

[siskue2005]

Exactly. Just PR63 doing the PR work for his teams struggles. Not the first time its happened this season and I bet it work be the last either. Typical Mercedes really. It's never their problem, Its the sports fault. I just dont think they have the guts to come out and say their built a poor car this season.

Its not just Merc drivers, just see my post above

It's all the drivers whose teams can't sort out their cars. Solution is not that difficult, you just have to sacrifice performance to achieve it, something they refuse to do, and I'd bet lots of money Red bull is consciously doing.

Nice way to skim over the actual issue
Ferrari have the fastest car currently, and their drivers are still complaining... it says all about how serious this issue is.

They are leaving performance on the table in some way or another to keep bouncing in check. If anything they should be going to the media and fia and lobby against any sudden changes.

You are contradicting yourself....It would benefit Redbull aswell, IF like you said they are leaving performance on the table to keep the bouncing under control. Then actually redbull also should lobby for rule change.

[f1316]

I think it's not a great look coming from George - especially since it seems to come about more when his car is at its least competitive (they weren't moaning about it in Spain) - but ultimately the underlying point is a valid one, as the bouncing not only seems extremely uncomfortable/potentially damaging but doesn't visually smack of the greatest cars on the planet (which is what a viewer's impression should be when watching F1).

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

[siskue2005]

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

They can have standard active suspension like Ross brawn proposed few years ago
It will cheaper and even improve overtaking
https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/30/ac ... t-in-2021/

https://f1i.com/news/264944-brawn-activ ... aking.html

[Hammerfist]

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

They can have standard active suspension like Ross brawn proposed few years ago
It will cheaper and even improve overtaking
https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/30/ac ... t-in-2021/

https://f1i.com/news/264944-brawn-activ ... aking.html

Yeah a spec active suspension would probably be best to --- up the whiners. But I doubt there is one team on the grid that could not design its own active suspension successfully. That is ancient technology ffs. Even haas would nail it.

[morefirejules08]

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

They can have standard active suspension like Ross brawn proposed few years ago
It will cheaper and even improve overtaking
https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/30/ac ... t-in-2021/

https://f1i.com/news/264944-brawn-activ ... aking.html

Why not just reintroduce inertias and solve 90% of the problem with very little effort?

[JPower]

“It’s not physical for the right reason, unfortunately. It’s very strange, it’s like oscillation, you can’t train or get ready for [it].

“It’s just painful on the body, really. I can feel it on the neck

Don't see why people are acting like George is saying something other drivers aren't.

Why not just reintroduce inertias and solve 90% of the problem with very little effort?

That's really the best idea.

[siskue2005]

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

They can have standard active suspension like Ross brawn proposed few years ago
It will cheaper and even improve overtaking
https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/30/ac ... t-in-2021/

https://f1i.com/news/264944-brawn-activ ... aking.html

Why not just reintroduce inertias and solve 90% of the problem with very little effort?

Would not benefit overtaking