2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 10 - 12

[langedweil]

I agree with George. The drivers will get life-long injuries if this continues. They can look at testing better suspension for 2023 or change the nature of the floor.

Stiffer suspension, and higher rear, issue gone. You have a dog of a car, but next to none porposing.
Active suspension is silly, and very very costly ..

[silver]

It's not surprising that it's mostly Mercedes fans who are driving the active suspension agenda here while it's not such a big news within F1 itself. There are a few difficulties of driving the modern F1 cars, but some of the F1 drivers have been pampered over the years with comfort and ease of driving F1 cars and are now complaining. F1 fans in general wanted to see cars that are handful to drive and a good physical challenge. Now that there is some challenge, fans of one particular team are becoming vocal to ask for easy solutions that they think can revive the fortunes of the team. I would rather love to see the drivers go through the challenge than make their life any more comfortable.

[langedweil]

There are a few difficulties of driving the modern F1 cars, but some of the F1 drivers have been pampered over the years with comfort and ease of driving F1 cars and are now complaining. F1 fans in general wanted to see cars that are handful to drive and a good physical challenge.

Just look at some 80's onboards to see how violent that was.
Maybe that level of racing just shouldn't be physically possible for a driver older than 26/27 or so? In a sense it's ridiculous there are careers spanning 20 seasons ...

[JPower]

It's not surprising that it's mostly Mercedes fans who are driving the active suspension agenda here while it's not such a big news within F1 itself. There are a few difficulties of driving the modern F1 cars, but some of the F1 drivers have been pampered over the years with comfort and ease of driving F1 cars and are now complaining. F1 fans in general wanted to see cars that are handful to drive and a good physical challenge. Now that there is some challenge, fans of one particular team are becoming vocal to ask for easy solutions that they think can revive the fortunes of the team. I would rather love to see the drivers go through the challenge than make their life any more comfortable.

Active suspension isn't going to "save" Mercedes and their drivers aren't the only ones complaining. I think coming from that angle that only the fans are wanting a change is disingenuous.

[siskue2005]

There are a few difficulties of driving the modern F1 cars, but some of the F1 drivers have been pampered over the years with comfort and ease of driving F1 cars and are now complaining. F1 fans in general wanted to see cars that are handful to drive and a good physical challenge.

Just look at some 80's onboards to see how violent that was.
Maybe that level of racing just shouldn't be physically possible for a driver older than 26/27 or so? In a sense it's ridiculous there are careers spanning 20 seasons ...

Those are poor camera mounting on an already flexing body work mounts..that's not proposing!

[siskue2005]

I agree with George. The drivers will get life-long injuries if this continues. They can look at testing better suspension for 2023 or change the nature of the floor.

Stiffer suspension, and higher rear, issue gone. You have a dog of a car, but next to none porposing.
Active suspension is silly, and very very costly ..

Standard active suspension as proposed by Ross brawn in 2018 is very cheaper to run and police

[Chuckjr]

Oh poetic justice how sweet you are...

After 7-8 years of Merc fans unapologetically claiming everyone needs to just hope their team can build a better engine to be competitive...I happily say to Merc fans without any apology, all you can do is hope Merc builds a better suspension, so you’ll be competitive. If they don’t, bummer-bob, suck it up, and nobody cares.

Great to see Russell still handing out the beat downs on his team mate.

[napoleon1981]

Oh poetic justice how sweet you are...

After 7-8 years of Merc fans unapologetically claiming everyone needs to just hope their team can build a better engine to be competitive...I happily say to Merc fans without any apology, all you can do is hope Merc builds a better suspension, so you’ll be competitive. If they don’t, bummer-bob, suck it up, and nobody cares.

Great to see Russell still handing out the beat downs on his team mate.

This. They drove purposely detuning their engines for a couple of years so that their advantage wasnt obvious and that rules wouldnt be changed. Time to take it on the chin now.

[siskue2005]

Oh poetic justice how sweet you are...

After 7-8 years of Merc fans unapologetically claiming everyone needs to just hope their team can build a better engine to be competitive...I happily say to Merc fans without any apology, all you can do is hope Merc builds a better suspension, so you’ll be competitive. If they don’t, bummer-bob, suck it up, and nobody cares.

Great to see Russell still handing out the beat downs on his team mate.

This. They drove purposely detuning their engines for a couple of years so that their advantage wasnt obvious and that rules wouldnt be changed. Time to take it on the chin now.

You mean like their rivals ran with illegal engines to just come close to them? or asked Masi to change the rule mid race to beat them? and need massive rule change and banning everything on the car to even beat them and have a "fast car". yeah time to take it on the chin now

[JPower]

Oh poetic justice how sweet you are...

After 7-8 years of Merc fans unapologetically claiming everyone needs to just hope their team can build a better engine to be competitive...I happily say to Merc fans without any apology, all you can do is hope Merc builds a better suspension, so you’ll be competitive. If they don’t, bummer-bob, suck it up, and nobody cares.

Great to see Russell still handing out the beat downs on his team mate.

Again, what does this have to do with Merc's competitiveness?

[GrizzleBoy]

Oh poetic justice how sweet you are...

After 7-8 years of Merc fans unapologetically claiming everyone needs to just hope their team can build a better engine to be competitive...I happily say to Merc fans without any apology, all you can do is hope Merc builds a better suspension, so you’ll be competitive. If they don’t, bummer-bob, suck it up, and nobody cares.

Great to see Russell still handing out the beat downs on his team mate.

Again, what does this have to do with Merc's competitiveness?

When has the equivalent of opposing football fans ever needed a good reason to chant at and antagonising each other?

[Hammerfist]

From the banning of fric, das, party modes and the downforce restrictions of 2021 it was evident that the fia was intent on stopping the merc dominance. Anyone that saw that differently is simply blind or intentionally disregarding facts.

[JordanMugen]

Thing is, this is pinnacle of sport and its laughable that the cars cant even stay on straight line without bouncing.

Red Bull and McLaren don't bounce on the Baku main straight, the others will get there too soon enough (no more than 3 seasons time I suspect). It is a solvable problem within the regulations.

Active suspension seems a batsh.t solution imho (and probably one Mercedes think would suit them, hence continually mentioning it) and I'm sure there are other, smaller things that can be done to alleviate (more similar in size/scope to adding the stays) than sweeping changes. Perhaps something along the lines of loosening the restrictions around skirts (reducing the need to run the cars so low) or introducing some kind changes to the plank to create a higher min ride height etc.

The simplest solution would be to monitor the g-meters and impose limits on vertical acceleration and vertical jerk, forcing the teams with porpoising to raise their cars enough to avoid triggering porpoising.

Inerters or active suspension are unnecessary regulation changes.

[Roman]

The “long run” times (some only 3 lap runs) seem to show RB with a slight advantage. But I guess the race will be decided by a SC and/or straight line speed. I wonder who will try a long first stint hoping for a late SC. While Pirelli expects soft-hard maybe someone will try to go medium-soft.

Let’s see! Exciting weekend coming up!

[bluechris]

I don't understand all the discussion really. There are teams except Redbull maybe that have found solution to porpoising like MCLaren and this destroyed their performance but they put their head down trying to improve. And we have Mercedes moaning because they don't want to throw this wrong design under the bus, trying to run their car as low as possible and this gives them extreme porpoising.
They must find a solution or they can man up and change the overall design or they can roll back to 1st Barcelona design and continue to improve for 2023 season.
The porpoising it's a no problem if you sacrifice performance to reduce it. It's not the 1st time a team comes in a season with a completely wrong design.


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