2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 10 - 12

[Incognito]

I do find the hatred towards drivers who don't even know you exist to be quite interesting.

If nothing else, it's often self-defeating. In the current environment, all those fans of Vettel and Verstappen constantly whining about how rubbish a driver Hamilton really is don't seem to realise that it just makes their own driver look worse. As an example, if the only driver of note Verstappen has actually beaten (after losing out to Ricciardo) is Hamilton...and Hamilton is secretly rubbish...what does that make Verstappen? Whereas, if Hamilton is an all-time great and winning last year required a herculean effort during a titanic battle...than Versappen suddenly looks pretty good.

[Big Tea]

Anyone else betting on Perez?

Perez no answer to Verstappen pace it seems.

Checo was so fast in Race that he ended 20 seconds ahead of Max!

Team orders as predicted, no?

Or don't you think it's weird how Verstappen was able to close up 4 seconds in one lap? While under the VSC...and with a "No Fighting" instruction issued at the end of it.

If only McLaren had issued similar orders.

I don't think team orders would have made any difference, but even if they were used, the fact that Ferrari were going to score Zero would mean RB had to nurse both cars to a 1-2 to maximise the points gain. If they ended up racing each other it could easily go sour.

Max was given a delta, which he thought was too slow and the team agreed with. I have little doubt he could have kept the gap, but would he have kept the points?

[JordanMugen]

Seriously. Why would you want to put 37 year old through repeated spine jarring situations?

The 37 year old chose the car setup himself:

We have a very, very small window where we can work this car, and everything we try doesn’t give us what we want. We’re making lots of changes, but we still encounter the bouncing which loses us a lot of performance. All of the performance is when you get the car low so we’re getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more than the other cars and putting pressure on our bodies.

- Lewis Hamilton

That's why the whole thing is inexplicable. "So were getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more" not "so we are raising the car up high to avoid the bouncing regardless of performance."

Lando Norris has a clear view on the matter:

I can't complain. It's not too bad, we have some porpoising but it's what you have to deal with. It's the tradeoff with trying to gain performance. We could quite easily go lower and gain performance with more porpoising, but we think where we are at is the correct amount. I'm sure Mercedes could build a stiffer floor and raise the ride height and it would be much nicer for them, but they obviously just don't want to lose performance.

- Lando Norris

It doesn't make sense for Mercedes to complain about bouncing when they are the ones choosing to run their car in such a way that in bounces (low and with hard suspension) instead of raising it up and fitting softer, compliant suspension.

[DChemTech]

Anyone else betting on Perez?

Perez no answer to Verstappen pace it seems.

Checo was so fast in Race that he ended 20 seconds ahead of Max!

Team orders as predicted, no?

Or don't you think it's weird how Verstappen was able to close up 4 seconds in one lap? While under the VSC...and with a "No Fighting" instruction issued at the end of it.

If only McLaren had issued similar orders.

Perez' said his tires were done after the range IIRC.
Also, team orders? not really. Just a request not to fight - which seems sensible considering the situation (Leclerc closing in, early in the race, Max having better tires). This was not similar to the 'let Max pass' in Spain, where they were actually potentially fighting for the win.

[Tommy Cookers]

... We now have actual figures stating the drivers are experiencing upto 6G of repeated instantaneous vertical loads....

nothing wrong ....

people should know ....
the first 50 years of motorcycle road racing (before there was suspension or suspension front & rear) was thus
and ...
if it looks like an instantaneous load the apparent 'g' measurement may well be an overshoot of the actual 'g'

[PlatinumZealot]

Seriously. Why would you want to put 37 year old through repeated spine jarring situations?

The 37 year old chose the car setup himself:

We have a very, very small window where we can work this car, and everything we try doesn’t give us what we want. We’re making lots of changes, but we still encounter the bouncing which loses us a lot of performance. All of the performance is when you get the car low so we’re getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more than the other cars and putting pressure on our bodies.

- Lewis Hamilton

That's why the whole thing is inexplicable. "So were getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more[" not "so we are raising the car up high to avoid the bouncing regardless of performance."

Lando Norris has a clear view on the matter:

I can't complain. It's not too bad, we have some porpoising but it's what you have to deal with. It's the tradeoff with trying to gain performance. We could quite easily go lower and gain performance with more porpoising, but we think where we are at is the correct amount. I'm sure Mercedes could build a stiffer floor and raise the ride height and it would be much nicer for them, but they obviously just don't want to lose performance.

- Lando Norris

Norris is 22 and the size of a house cat. He can manage the bumps better and McLaren is one of the least affected cars.

[Incognito]

F1 has made no step I feel in terms of closing the field up. Mercedes have been replaced by RBR. Ferrari are Ferrari. Mercedes will get there.

The rest are nowhere.

It seems to be the main point of regulation changes. If the rules stay static for long enough then the laws of diminishing returns mean that even small budget teams get close to the front runners and and can be competitive. But drop a huge rule change in there and once more it comes down to who has the most money to throw at it.

Hence the theatre and make-believe spun by the propaganda arms of F1 (the media whose jobs depend on people buying in to the myths) that huge regulation shifts aren't about ensuring the dominance of the big three but are actually about allowing 'closer racing'.

[JordanMugen]

McLaren is one of the least affected cars.

Yes, Norris notes McLaren have raised their car to avoid bouncing at the cost of performance. So why doesn't Mercedes also raise their car so it doesn't bounce?

It doesn't make sense, Mercedes say eliminating bouncing/porpoising is their first priority yet their actions do not bear that out. The car still scrapes along the ground in the rear, rather than sitting nice and high! It's as if the engineers and drivers simply refuse to operate the car outside the region where it bounces, and would rather have a lower laptime instead.

Then they complain about it bouncing when they are the very ones who chose to operate the car in a ride height where it bounces in the first place. It's bizarre.

[lh13]

Seriously. Why would you want to put 37 year old through repeated spine jarring situations?

The 37 year old chose the car setup himself:

We have a very, very small window where we can work this car, and everything we try doesn’t give us what we want. We’re making lots of changes, but we still encounter the bouncing which loses us a lot of performance. All of the performance is when you get the car low so we’re getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more than the other cars and putting pressure on our bodies.

- Lewis Hamilton

That's why the whole thing is inexplicable. "So were getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more[" not "so we are raising the car up high to avoid the bouncing regardless of performance."

Lando Norris has a clear view on the matter:

I can't complain. It's not too bad, we have some porpoising but it's what you have to deal with. It's the tradeoff with trying to gain performance. We could quite easily go lower and gain performance with more porpoising, but we think where we are at is the correct amount. I'm sure Mercedes could build a stiffer floor and raise the ride height and it would be much nicer for them, but they obviously just don't want to lose performance.

- Lando Norris

Norris is 22 and the size of a house cat. He can manage the bumps better and McLaren is one of the least affected cars.

You have difficulty reading?

[Bill]

The way mercedes are politicising their porpoising issues is total disgusting Lewis pretending to have back issues just so they can lobby fia to change suspension regulation is not right they should just get on with it like any other team.merc is used to getting thing their way like with tires in the past

[Incognito]

Perez' said his tires were done after the range IIRC.
Also, team orders? not really. Just a request not to fight - which seems sensible considering the situation (Leclerc closing in, early in the race, Max having better tires). This was not similar to the 'let Max pass' in Spain, where they were actually potentially fighting for the win.

Perez lost 4 seconds in one lap under the VSC, because his tyres weren't in good condition? And then a further 2 seconds the next lap.

Really?

Interesting that Leclerc wasn't hauling him at 6-8 seconds a lap once the VSC lifted then.

[lh13]

Seriously. Why would you want to put 37 year old through repeated spine jarring situations?

The 37 year old chose the car setup himself:

We have a very, very small window where we can work this car, and everything we try doesn’t give us what we want. We’re making lots of changes, but we still encounter the bouncing which loses us a lot of performance. All of the performance is when you get the car low so we’re getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more than the other cars and putting pressure on our bodies.

- Lewis Hamilton

That's why the whole thing is inexplicable. "So were getting lower and lower but it’s bouncing more" not "so we are raising the car up high to avoid the bouncing regardless of performance."

Lando Norris has a clear view on the matter:

I can't complain. It's not too bad, we have some porpoising but it's what you have to deal with. It's the tradeoff with trying to gain performance. We could quite easily go lower and gain performance with more porpoising, but we think where we are at is the correct amount. I'm sure Mercedes could build a stiffer floor and raise the ride height and it would be much nicer for them, but they obviously just don't want to lose performance.

- Lando Norris

It doesn't make sense for Mercedes to complain about bouncing when they are the ones choosing to run their car in such a way that in bounces (low and with hard suspension) instead of raising it up and fitting softer, compliant suspension.

That's funny. So Hamilton is basically admitting that they're putting themselves through the pain intentionally, yet they complain about it and want the regulations changed.

[dialtone]

Could we have an Hamilton's haters topic, or just general haters topic that is renewed each race and we move all of these posts there?

[lh13]

Perez' said his tires were done after the range IIRC.
Also, team orders? not really. Just a request not to fight - which seems sensible considering the situation (Leclerc closing in, early in the race, Max having better tires). This was not similar to the 'let Max pass' in Spain, where they were actually potentially fighting for the win.

Perez lost 4 seconds in one lap under the VSC, because his tyres weren't in good condition? And then a further 2 seconds the next lap.

Really?

Interesting that Leclerc wasn't hauling him at 6-8 seconds a lap once the VSC lifted then.

Looks like you don't know that the gaps are increased during VSC, because of lower speeds and then reduce rapidly once they start driving at full speeds.

[Incognito]

I have little doubt he could have kept the gap, but would he have kept the points?

Absolutely. Red Bull did the logical thing. They put their number one driver in front and ordered them both to hold station and cruise around. Absolutely the right thing to do.