2022 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, June 17 - 19

[Ryar]

It's absurd that teams are going to get handicapped based on something that essentially is just a flaw in the ruleset.

Same 'flaw' for everyone though isnt it....So the playing field is still level

Considering how they could simply tell everyone to run x mm higher this solution is just an overcomplication and just designed to save face. By making it a consequence of an individual team's issues, this would imply that it is the team who is at fault, whereas the occurence is a consequence of the ruleset itself.

Take for example, tyre life differs from car to car, can that be a ruleset issue? It's upto each team to figure out right setup or mechanical/aerodynamic solutions to handle the tyre life problem. There will be some aspects of any ruleset which produce undesirable outcomes. If some teams are managing it better than others, just like tyre usage, then it's upto other teams to manage bouncing situation as well. Why blame ruleset?

[Dee]

I will never trust Mercedes

Everything they do is calculated to get the decision they want

They have been crying about the porpoising for the last few races while having found a fix for it as seen in Spain.

Baku was not porpoising, it was bumps

So now the FIA bring in a TD about porpoising..

We will see what the frontrunners will be this wkd and see how Merc compares via RB and Ferrai once this new TD is enacted

[chrisc90]

It's absurd that teams are going to get handicapped based on something that essentially is just a flaw in the ruleset.

Same 'flaw' for everyone though isnt it....So the playing field is still level

Considering how they could simply tell everyone to run x mm higher this solution is just an overcomplication and just designed to save face. By making it a consequence of an individual team's issues, this would imply that it is the team who is at fault, whereas the occurence is a consequence of the ruleset itself.

Its not the ruleset that's the problem though....its the teams that cant come up with a solution to the problems. If team A can make a car that still comes in line with the rules and regulations, has no bouncing or very little, but team B have come up with a car that bounces like a kangaroo, then its team B that isnt doing a good job as Team A has made a car that fits within the rules/regs of the race (and even safety limits now).

Those teams that have done a bad job, and believe its driver safety thats the bother, will either have to come up with a better design, or sit it out. Not complain blaming the regs book and push for change to help them because the team has made a flop of a car.

[Dee]

Same 'flaw' for everyone though isnt it....So the playing field is still level

Considering how they could simply tell everyone to run x mm higher this solution is just an overcomplication and just designed to save face. By making it a consequence of an individual team's issues, this would imply that it is the team who is at fault, whereas the occurence is a consequence of the ruleset itself.

Its not the ruleset that's the problem though....its the teams that cant come up with a solution to the problems. If team A can make a car that still comes in line with the rules and regulations, has no bouncing or very little, but team B have come up with a car that bounces like a kangaroo, then its team B that isnt doing a good job as Team A has made a car that fits within the rules/regs of the race (and even safety limits now).

Those teams that have done a bad job, and believe its driver safety thats the bother, will either have to come up with a better design, or sit it out. Not complain blaming the regs book and push for change to help them because the team has made a flop of a car.

Ferrari bounces and is fast while doing so, they will be hit while also building a car that can perform

[chrisc90]

Considering how they could simply tell everyone to run x mm higher this solution is just an overcomplication and just designed to save face. By making it a consequence of an individual team's issues, this would imply that it is the team who is at fault, whereas the occurence is a consequence of the ruleset itself.

Its not the ruleset that's the problem though....its the teams that cant come up with a solution to the problems. If team A can make a car that still comes in line with the rules and regulations, has no bouncing or very little, but team B have come up with a car that bounces like a kangaroo, then its team B that isnt doing a good job as Team A has made a car that fits within the rules/regs of the race (and even safety limits now).

Those teams that have done a bad job, and believe its driver safety thats the bother, will either have to come up with a better design, or sit it out. Not complain blaming the regs book and push for change to help them because the team has made a flop of a car.

Ferrari bounces and is fast while doing so, they will be hit while also building a car that can perform

The FIA havent targeted performance though...They have targeted driver safety. Probably due to the acting last weekend that we seen.

Of course, the outcome of having a bouncing car, will affect the performance, but I believe Sainz was complaining about it too.

[Dee]

Its not the ruleset that's the problem though....its the teams that cant come up with a solution to the problems. If team A can make a car that still comes in line with the rules and regulations, has no bouncing or very little, but team B have come up with a car that bounces like a kangaroo, then its team B that isnt doing a good job as Team A has made a car that fits within the rules/regs of the race (and even safety limits now).

Those teams that have done a bad job, and believe its driver safety thats the bother, will either have to come up with a better design, or sit it out. Not complain blaming the regs book and push for change to help them because the team has made a flop of a car.

Ferrari bounces and is fast while doing so, they will be hit while also building a car that can perform

The FIA havent targeted performance though...They have targeted driver safety. Probably due to the acting last weekend that we seen.

Of course, the outcome of having a bouncing car, will affect the performance, but I believe Sainz was complaining about it too.

Sainz runs a stiffer car than Leclerc, thus more bouncing

Ferrari bounces a lot, as can be seen from every race so far

They will be affected by this TD

[dialtone]

Except for the data I posted doesn't report that. But chances are that FOM data is wrong right?

[tpe]

Do I believe a TD was required?
Yes.
Why?
Because teams don't care about their drivers.

Honestly, it's up to them. They didn't solve the issue, now FIA intervenes and no one is happy!

[Gillian]

Except for the data I posted doesn't report that. But chances are that FOM data is wrong right?

About that data.. Am I right in saying based on that data McLaren and Alpine look pretty good on the porpoising front? I'm on mobile so kinda hard to see the details.

[dialtone]

Except for the data I posted doesn't report that. But chances are that FOM data is wrong right?

About that data.. Am I right in saying based on that data McLaren and Alpine look pretty good on the porpoising front? I'm on mobile so kinda hard to see the details.

Alpine doesn't look too good, although in the big bunch, but definitely McLaren looks great.

[Big Tea]

So if Merc turn up tomorrow with a cured package, look out for the blood letting here.

What is the definition of "cured package"?

One that does not trigger the FIA alarm.

[214270]

Except for the data I posted doesn't report that. But chances are that FOM data is wrong right?

About that data.. Am I right in saying based on that data McLaren and Alpine look pretty good on the porpoising front? I'm on mobile so kinda hard to see the details.

The results are different with each track.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf

[Mogster]

Yes. Ric said he only fully experienced the porpoising at Az.

[Gillian]

Except for the data I posted doesn't report that. But chances are that FOM data is wrong right?

About that data.. Am I right in saying based on that data McLaren and Alpine look pretty good on the porpoising front? I'm on mobile so kinda hard to see the details.

The results are different with each track.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf

Thanks for the link

[senja]

It's absurd that teams are going to get handicapped based on something that essentially is just a flaw in the ruleset.

Same 'flaw' for everyone though isnt it....So the playing field is still level

Considering how they could simply tell everyone to run x mm higher this solution is just an overcomplication and just designed to save face. By making it a consequence of an individual team's issues, this would imply that it is the team who is at fault, whereas the occurence is a consequence of the ruleset itself.

Why would they punish everyone for problems of few teams? Those who run with unsafe setups should be punished. Ofcourse it's a team's fault. There is no problem in the rules. It's completely solvable by the current rules.

You asked for it, you get it...