2022 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, June 17 - 19

[Mchamilton]

Equipment plays an important role in wet, unless the driver is extra ordinary like Ayrton and Michael have proven. Fernando, Seb and Lewis are in second category. Max is definitely vying for the first one and only time will tell if he firmly joins that group or the second one. Then there are average wet drivers like Massa, Bottas and Ric. I said these names because they had the equipment, but failed consistently. It appears George has great talent in wet. Since last year Lewis hasn't done anything notable in wet, which highlights the quality of equipment he had in previous years.

Lewis hasnt done anything notable in the wet? Are you actually serious? Yet max is vying for the top catagory lol what a joke those 2 statements are

He did, got outqualified by a Williams in a wet Spa last year.

Syrian GP 2020 1.2 ahead of Max for a start

[darkpino]

Equipment plays an important role in wet, unless the driver is extra ordinary like Ayrton and Michael have proven. Fernando, Seb and Lewis are in second category. Max is definitely vying for the first one and only time will tell if he firmly joins that group or the second one. Then there are average wet drivers like Massa, Bottas and Ric. I said these names because they had the equipment, but failed consistently. It appears George has great talent in wet. Since last year Lewis hasn't done anything notable in wet, which highlights the quality of equipment he had in previous years.

Lewis hasnt done anything notable in the wet? Are you actually serious? Yet max is vying for the top catagory lol what a joke those 2 statements are

He did, got outqualified by a Williams in a wet Spa last year.

Lewis is far from my favourite driver (or person in F1). Hell; I’d rather see him leave F1 tomorrow. But anyone thinking he’s not an impressive (and maybe one of the best F1 drivers ever lived) F1 driver is imo short sighted

[Gillian]

Equipment plays an important role in wet, unless the driver is extra ordinary like Ayrton and Michael have proven. Fernando, Seb and Lewis are in second category. Max is definitely vying for the first one and only time will tell if he firmly joins that group or the second one. Then there are average wet drivers like Massa, Bottas and Ric. I said these names because they had the equipment, but failed consistently. It appears George has great talent in wet. Since last year Lewis hasn't done anything notable in wet, which highlights the quality of equipment he had in previous years.

Lewis hasnt done anything notable in the wet? Are you actually serious? Yet max is vying for the top catagory lol what a joke those 2 statements are

He did, got outqualified by a Williams in a wet Spa last year.

Come on Ryar, I agree with a lot you say but Hamilton has shown excellent driving skills in the wet. "It's the car" arguments don't hold up when there have been races like Monaco 16, where Rosberg was absolutely destroyed by Hamilton.

[TNTHead]

O no, not again VER vs HAM...

Lets enjoy this race weekend. It may be epic.

[mstar]

To me it looked like a few people went for a higher downforce setup and that worked well in a wet qualifying.

George, Alonso and Haas stood out for that. You could visibly see the bigger wing on George's car compared to Lewis for example.

good spot, i didn;t realise this. If your right then i expect lewis to be faster in straight line but in qualy was there a big difference in straight line speed?

[organic]

Pretty sure RB swapped Max onto a higher df wing for Saturday. Will be interesting to see how that plays out - he might get stuck behind the alpine after the start for instance

[lh13]

Lewis hasnt done anything notable in the wet? Are you actually serious? Yet max is vying for the top catagory lol what a joke those 2 statements are

He did, got outqualified by a Williams in a wet Spa last year.

Come on Ryar, I agree with a lot you say but Hamilton has shown excellent driving skills in the wet. "It's the car" arguments don't hold up when there have been races like Monaco 16, where Rosberg was absolutely destroyed by Hamilton.

Rosberg had a problem with brakes in Monaco, all race. Also, checkout Spa and Silverstone '14 qualifying, you'll see wo destroyed who.

[djones]

To try and find single race examples to some how prove a driver is poor in X conditions or a specific track is really quite silly when that driver has nearly 300 races, 7* world championships, 103 wins and 103 pole positions.

Objectively the greatest F1 driver of all time and people are picking out rare moments in time to try and prove their narrative and override the driver's overall average

If the last wet Spa taught us anything its that a setup can make even a Williams a top 3 contender in qualifying when the cars around you are focusing on a dry race or get their setup wrong (like Seb and the tyre pressures yesterday).

[wogx]

[Incognito]

There was a thread a couple of years ago about this sort of thing viewtopic.php?t=3919&sid=5ca5f291a1a0cb ... c&start=75
I don't know if it included all of that season (and obviously won't include the seasons since then). It agrees with Rosberg's quali skills in the wet (a sadly under-rated driver).

I've put it here purely for information. Further discussion of 'Rainmasters' probably deserves it's own dedicated thread (rather than the GP thread), although I fear its fate would be the same as the last one.

[Aesop]

To try and find single race examples to some how prove a driver is poor in X conditions or a specific track is really quite silly when that driver has nearly 300 races, 7* world championships, 103 wins and 103 pole positions.

Statistically the greatest F1 driver of all time and people are picking out rare moments in time to try and prove their narrative and override the driver's overall average

Totally agree.

[wogx]

Will Alonso drive ultra aggressively in T1? Verstappen is fighting for the championship, he has to calculate - A P2 is better than DNF. Fernando is an intelligent driver, he knows about it

[search]

Will Alonso drive ultra aggressively in T1?

there's not much you can do from the outside. Alonso tried once during his McLaren days, but it didn't really work out well:



Hamilton came close after getting off the line much better than Rosberg one year, but he just pushed him wide, and that was his opportunity gone as well.

[chrisc90]

Will Alonso drive ultra aggressively in T1?

there's not much you can do from the outside. Alonso tried once during his McLaren days, but it didn't really work out well:



Hamilton came close after getting off the line much better than Rosberg one year, but he just pushed him wide, and that was his opportunity gone as well.

Given the rule changes all alonso had to do was stay alongside round turn 1 and Lewis would have had to give room who would have been on the outside for turn 2.

I think itll be key here, that if Alonso gets away well and alongside max, is that Max will have to leave room for alonso to stay on track, which puts him in a favourable position for turn 2 if he is alongside Max.

I dont think it will turn out that way as Max will inevitably have his elbows out making a very wide Red bull down the centre of the track making it impossible to get down the inside or around the outside.

[Wouter]

Will Alonso drive ultra aggressively in T1? Verstappen is fighting for the championship, he has to calculate - A P2 is better than DNF. Fernando is an intelligent driver, he knows about it

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