Toyota TF109

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Chassis Data so far:

TF109-01: Testing
TF109-02: Testing
TF109-03: Glock - Australia
TF109-04: Truli - Australia, Malaysia, China
TF109-05: Glock - Malaysia, China & Trulli - Bahrain
TF109-06: Glock - Bahrain

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vasia wrote:Very interesting, that is indeed a new diffuser. Toyota's development pace seems to be very strong so far, they've already changed or updated their diffuser twice since the beginning of the season. Toyota, despite starting the season with a DDD, is still continually updating and evolving their rear diffuser. So much for the belief that the non-DDD teams would have greater scope of development.

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It would be great to see Toyota join the front ranks this year (win a race or two). If they could win, I think it would be at least as big a story as Brawn, because of Toyota's lack of big name drivers. Yes, Glock is an up-and-comer, but Trulli is truly bad at this point in his career.

I just don't see them being able to take the next step, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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Id like to see Toyota win a GP, and how ever senior Trulli is to Glock, i think Glock has the better chance this year to win a race.

A Toyota win is over due, they are the only team currently on the grid to not have won a GP in their current or a previous guise, all the rest have done so.

However, i think Toyota are getting to a point that BMW Sauber are also in as well, and Renault have since realised. To be able to be consistantly challenging for wins and at the end of seasons champoinships, they need a champoinship quality driver or two. Thus leads me to come to the conclusion that Trulli may call it a day at the end of this season for racing, and take a Schumacher at Ferarri or DC at Red Bull role, and be a executive advisor to the team. I think if last years or this years Toyota was in the hands of Alonso, im shure that it would definatly have won a race or two as they are/were good cars.

Toyota have good resources and budget, they have done what Honda had failed to do, but Ross Brawn now with his own team, is now doing what Honda should have had the accumen to do, i hope some one in Toyko can see this and leave Toyota F1 alone, and not meddle as was the downfall for Honda.

All that in summary, Toyota certainly have a place in the big time, up at the sharp end.

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ESPImperium wrote:Id like to see Toyota win a GP, and how ever senior Trulli is to Glock, i think Glock has the better chance this year to win a race.

A Toyota win is over due, they are the only team currently on the grid to not have won a GP in their current or a previous guise, all the rest have done so.

However, i think Toyota are getting to a point that BMW Sauber are also in as well, and Renault have since realised. To be able to be consistantly challenging for wins and at the end of seasons champoinships, they need a champoinship quality driver or two. Thus leads me to come to the conclusion that Trulli may call it a day at the end of this season for racing, and take a Schumacher at Ferarri or DC at Red Bull role, and be a executive advisor to the team. I think if last years or this years Toyota was in the hands of Alonso, im shure that it would definatly have won a race or two as they are/were good cars.

Toyota have good resources and budget, they have done what Honda had failed to do, but Ross Brawn now with his own team, is now doing what Honda should have had the accumen to do, i hope some one in Toyko can see this and leave Toyota F1 alone, and not meddle as was the downfall for Honda.

All that in summary, Toyota certainly have a place in the big time, up at the sharp end.
I think the key might be very simple: Toyota must allow the team to operate as a successful F1 team -- not as a Japanese organization. Replace consensus mgmt with individual freedom. Reduce layers of mgmt. Encourage risk-taking.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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donskar wrote:
ESPImperium wrote:Id like to see Toyota win a GP, and how ever senior Trulli is to Glock, i think Glock has the better chance this year to win a race.

A Toyota win is over due, they are the only team currently on the grid to not have won a GP in their current or a previous guise, all the rest have done so.

However, i think Toyota are getting to a point that BMW Sauber are also in as well, and Renault have since realised. To be able to be consistantly challenging for wins and at the end of seasons champoinships, they need a champoinship quality driver or two. Thus leads me to come to the conclusion that Trulli may call it a day at the end of this season for racing, and take a Schumacher at Ferarri or DC at Red Bull role, and be a executive advisor to the team. I think if last years or this years Toyota was in the hands of Alonso, im shure that it would definatly have won a race or two as they are/were good cars.

Toyota have good resources and budget, they have done what Honda had failed to do, but Ross Brawn now with his own team, is now doing what Honda should have had the accumen to do, i hope some one in Toyko can see this and leave Toyota F1 alone, and not meddle as was the downfall for Honda.

All that in summary, Toyota certainly have a place in the big time, up at the sharp end.
I think the key might be very simple: Toyota must allow the team to operate as a successful F1 team -- not as a Japanese organization. Replace consensus mgmt with individual freedom. Reduce layers of mgmt. Encourage risk-taking.
Exactly what i was getting at in less words. And i think we have seen some of that in their strategys, take Glock at Malysia putting him on the inters when everyone pitted for wets, and even take Glock and Trulli at Brazil last year, Glock almost cost Hamilton the title by staying out on the grooved tyres when everyone had pitted for inters, it was only arround 10 seconds from paying off.

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jddh1 wrote:
zgred wrote:Image
Look at those two holes on each corner near top side of the nose. I guess they are the cool quick release clips for the noses. Can anyone confirm? It seems like a nose can just be pushed into place and thats it.
The two holes near the top are the torsion bars (springs). The nose mounts with conventional quarter turn cam fasteners onto pins in the nose cone (you cant see them as the jacking cradle is fitted to them). However toyota unlike most teams use hydraulics for the front wing flap adjustment. The electrical receptacle at the top send the elec signal to the moog valve, while the hydraulic manifold (lower Left) sends the hydraulic power. The slides at the top and the trolley aid the accurate alignment when refitting the nose, mainly for the hydraulic connectors, as most teams do not need these for a purely electrical connection.

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vasia wrote:Very interesting, that is indeed a new diffuser. Toyota's development pace seems to be very strong so far, they've already changed or updated their diffuser twice since the beginning of the season. Toyota, despite starting the season with a DDD, is still continually updating and evolving their rear diffuser. So much for the belief that the non-DDD teams would have greater scope of development.

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Taken from the angle but better quality.

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Very interesting shape they are running, it must produce better airflow/more downforce than the previous design. They are making even better use of the crash structure's shape than before.

It certainly looks like it helped them in qualifying.

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To me, it looks like they fused their second and third "deck" into 1, somewhat like BrawnGP did with their diffuser.

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why does that first picture make it look like the rear wing has 3 planes?

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Bob Brown wrote:why does that first picture make it look like the rear wing has 3 planes?
Because right behind of the car there's a bunch of nosecones+front wings.

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What do you think the camera in the mirror mount is, visual, or maybe infra red looking at the tyres?

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One of the Toyotas is running an shark-fin like that of the Red-Bull. It connects on both sides of the rear-wing (top and bottom).
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