2022 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 01 - 03

[ringo]

Given what some people comment on here...Max could have sat the race out and they would have still found something to complain about his driving,

Staggering isn't it? He is the dirty driver in a race where he barely did anything wrong, y other drivers (including his own teammate!) cut the track, actually hit other cars etc.

George causing a huge crash
Vettel hitting back of Albon sending him into the pit wall
Charles hitting Perez by sending it up the inside

And people still find something to twist about Max. Ridiculous.

Causing an accident is not the same as dirty driving. Dirty driving is intentionally putting another car in danger to maintain or gain on advantage. None of those incidents you mentioned were even close. George maybe, since he closed the door on Gasly, but that was knee jerk reaction. Max intently squeezed Mick. Charles and Perez, just clumsiness.

[taperoo2k]

Clumsy by Ferrari, but at least Sainz broke his duck. Exciting race in the last few laps.

Sainz took the race into his own hands, and ignored the Ferrari Pitwall's instructions he back up to give Leclerc space on the restart. Had he done so, we'd have probably seen a different winner. Pretty ballsy move there by Sainz and shows how weak Ferrari's pit wall decision making is.

I can't help but feel Ocon should be penalized for "fixing" the race there. He had so much time since the problem to roll into the pits. Probably was trying to help Alonso there.

That was a car failure, Ocon had no control over it. If it not mistaken his car shuddered to a halt along the old start/finish straight. I'd guess the drivers are not allowed to use the old pit lane unless instructed to do so by race control. You've made a pretty silly accusation there. When an F1 car comes to a halt, it pretty much locks up and you can't move it without outside help.

Latiffi still on zero points after all of that! Crazy races like that don't come around so often; he wont get a chance like this again.

That's just the way things go in racing, sometimes it just doesn't quite come together. In fact you could argue that things just haven't come together at all for Latiffi throughout his F1 career.

[Unc1eM0nty]

Hamilton had massive trouble warming up the softs on the restart, and all of them on softs would've meant he wouldn't have taken the lead from 2nd (assuming he'd have passed Sainz in the pits to steal 2nd to begin with). And then no pit + hards obviously would've seen him get butchered. Those things take 2 laps to warm up.

Good to see how kind the Mercedes is on tires though, he went 12 laps further than Sainz was it ? I guess tire warm up and longevity are related.

[Tvetovnato]

So they hoped the softs would degrade quickly for Sainz, implying that they wanted to have Charles ahead in the end…? So why not swap positions in the first stint then? I really hoped their strategy department was sharper after the 2018 debacles, but no…

[f1316]

"Fernando is faster than you" is still haunting Ferrari. It was an issue in Hockenheim 2018 and again a couple of times in the Seb/Leclerc era. And again today! It was very clear in the early stages that Charles was faster and it still took them ages to swap the cars around. With the pace that Leclerc showed it is not unreasonable to think he could have built a big enough gap to allow for a double stack during the safety car pit sequence. And even without that hindsight swapping them earlier allows him to build a bigger gap and protect against a charging Hamilton. Ferrari are losing this championship even more than their reliability is costing them at this rate...

Yeah agree with this - they seem far more cautious or reluctant than any other team to issue firm team orders. The 2010 incident plus the 2002 Austria one probably have combined to create a cautious culture in this regard.

I hope ringo is right that the learnings coming out of this should be (i) Leclerc is just the lead horse as he’s considerably faster in race conditions this year (ii) they owe him one and Sainz needs to play the teammate role in the run in.

[LM10]

That was a crazy race!

Really happy for the Ferrari win and Sainz’ first win, but gutted for how it ended for Charles - yet again. Ferrari’s strategy department surely is one of their weak points, if not the weakest. They’re missing that last bit of killing instinct and championship winning mentality. I’m
still hopeful for both titles because they have a solid package, but they need to up their game also in terms of strategy.

[Brenton]

Thanks Tvetovnato.. that answers a question I was about to post.

In the moment I assumed they calculated that the double stack delay and a small delta for H vs S tires made it a 50/50 call and they split strategy as a result. But the delta of S vs H was so large that in hindsight we have to wonder what the heck was Ferrari thinking? Maybe I forget how difficult or time consuming a double stack is but at worst it would have put them in 1st and 3rd right?

Feel bad for Leclerc.. really wanted him to get +25 to help make an exciting WDC battle. But good point above that at least this is was a big morale boost for Sainz. And most importantly this was one of the most entertaining races F1 I've ever seen!

I see the Hammy and Max fan clubs are at it again... Max finnished P7 and still he is the centre of discussion? Free real-estate in people's minds...

What strange logic is this, so if Max dangerously pushes another driver off the track we should make no comment on it? We need to stay quiet for some reason? Why?

Yeah I think it is bad for the forum for people to go on a forum and complain about other people posting about the topic of discussion. If you don't want to see posts in a thread called 2022 British Grand Prix that are about the 2022 British Grand Prix then you shouldn't be on this website. IMO Lewis fans tend to have a lot of bias about the incidents between him & Max.. but at the same time Max has shown dozens of times now that he's a dirty driver, and today was another example, albeit a small one.

[Sieper]

Great race today. Lots of drama, some of it quite scary. Very lenient stewarding at very many occasions. Almost all drivers went over the line at multiple points.

Impressive fighting.

One irk, if Max is much faster than Checo and the only thing said is no fighting then the forum is too small, but Leclerc needs to be let through everyone agrees. Sainz was quite fast, after they pitted him out of the way leclerc lost time instead of won.

[Shrieker]

Hamilton had massive trouble warming up the softs on the restart, and all of them on softs would've meant he wouldn't have taken the lead from 2nd (assuming he'd have passed Sainz in the pits to steal 2nd to begin with). And then no pit + hards obviously would've seen him get butchered. Those things take 2 laps to warm up.

Good to see how kind the Mercedes is on tires though, he went 12 laps further than Sainz was it ? I guess tire warm up and longevity are related.

Probably. It was the same in recent seasons too iirc. A shame they didn't do 4-5 laps more and try anticipate an sc/vsc, which did happen.

[Sieper]

That is why they had DAS. The trade off is better tire life. That first stint was very impressive.

[Silent Storm]

Staggering isn't it? He is the dirty driver in a race where he barely did anything wrong, y other drivers (including his own teammate!) cut the track, actually hit other cars etc.

George causing a huge crash
Vettel hitting back of Albon sending him into the pit wall
Charles hitting Perez by sending it up the inside

And people still find something to twist about Max. Ridiculous.

Causing an accident is not the same as dirty driving. Dirty driving is intentionally putting another car in danger to maintain or gain on advantage. None of those incidents you mentioned were even close. George maybe, since he closed the door on Gasly, but that was knee jerk reaction. Max intently squeezed Mick. Charles and Perez, just clumsiness.

Max didn’t have consistent downforce, part of it was out of his control. The balance was changing constantly. Being in points in the slowest car (after damage) was great for him. It’s amazing how Sainz reported the debris but nobody cleared it.

[chrisc90]

George causing a huge crash
Vettel hitting back of Albon sending him into the pit wall
Charles hitting Perez by sending it up the inside

And people still find something to twist about Max. Ridiculous.

Causing an accident is not the same as dirty driving. Dirty driving is intentionally putting another car in danger to maintain or gain on advantage. None of those incidents you mentioned were even close. George maybe, since he closed the door on Gasly, but that was knee jerk reaction. Max intently squeezed Mick. Charles and Perez, just clumsiness.

Max didn’t have consistent downforce, part of it was out of his control. The balance was changing constantly. Being in points in the slowest car (after damage) was great for him. It’s amazing how Sainz reported the debris but nobody cleared it.

I forgot Sainz reported the debris. Wonder if this was the same that Max hit, especially if it was close to the racing line. The race should have been VSC'd until cleared.

[DAMNINice]

Any news on Albon ?

[PlatinumZealot]

Clumsy by Ferrari, but at least Sainz broke his duck. Exciting race in the last few laps.

Sainz took the race into his own hands, and ignored the Ferrari Pitwall's instructions he back up to give Leclerc space on the restart. Had he done so, we'd have probably seen a different winner. Pretty ballsy move there by Sainz and shows how weak Ferrari's pit wall decision making is.

I can't help but feel Ocon should be penalized for "fixing" the race there. He had so much time since the problem to roll into the pits. Probably was trying to help Alonso there.

That was a car failure, Ocon had no control over it. If it not mistaken his car shuddered to a halt along the old start/finish straight. I'd guess the drivers are not allowed to use the old pit lane unless instructed to do so by race control. You've made a pretty silly accusation there. When an F1 car comes to a halt, it pretty much locks up and you can't move it without outside help.

Latiffi still on zero points after all of that! Crazy races like that don't come around so often; he wont get a chance like this again.

That's just the way things go in racing, sometimes it just doesn't quite come together. In fact you could argue that things just haven't come together at all for Latiffi throughout his F1 career.

Ocon's car was shuddering to a halt well before the pit entrance!

[Aesop]

Staggering isn't it? He is the dirty driver in a race where he barely did anything wrong, y other drivers (including his own teammate!) cut the track, actually hit other cars etc.

George causing a huge crash
Vettel hitting back of Albon sending him into the pit wall
Charles hitting Perez by sending it up the inside

And people still find something to twist about Max. Ridiculous.

Causing an accident is not the same as dirty driving. Dirty driving is intentionally putting another car in danger to maintain or gain on advantage. None of those incidents you mentioned were even close. George maybe, since he closed the door on Gasly, but that was knee jerk reaction. Max intently squeezed Mick. Charles and Perez, just clumsiness.

Good to see Hamilton hit the apex in Copse with Leclerc this time. Last year he sent Verstappen in the hospital and forced Leclerc of track there.

Talking about dirty driving