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[UlleGulle]

Ferrari has a big problem with confidence in the strategy desk.

First you have the confidence of the drivers.

VER and HAM often complain about strategy calls, but when the "Box Box Box" command is given, they trust their engineers and head into the pits. With Ferrari, it seems to be a negotiation every time, and LEC being the more compliant one, too often gets the short end of the stick for it.

This takes time, and makes them miss their windows of opportunity. If the Safety car wouldn't have come out, I'm pretty sure HAM would have came bearing down on both SAI and LEC. A racing driver, especially for Ferrari, needs to be able to cope with a direct instruction "You are not fast enough. Now let your teammate through". Repeated requests to up the pace is just a silly waste of time.

They also need to be able to cope with the fact that sometimes they are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess Abu Dhabi wasn't fun for PER last season, but it's all a part of the gig. Here LEC had both track position and championship position, but SAI was still given the optimum strategy. This was probably because his tires were worse, and he would probably fall like a stone at the restart. But that would have been a part of the job. A team needs to make those calls, and a driver in a top team needs to accept them.

Secondly, the Ferrari strategy desk needs to have some confidence in itself. It seems like RB and Merc plans outs it's races and acts on events, whilst Ferrari mererly reacts to others, which almost always put's them on the back foot.

[JPower]

Ferrari has a big problem with confidence in the strategy desk.

First you have the confidence of the drivers.

VER and HAM often complain about strategy calls, but when the "Box Box Box" command is given, they trust their engineers and head into the pits. With Ferrari, it seems to be a negotiation every time, and LEC being the more compliant one, too often gets the short end of the stick for it.

This takes time, and makes them miss their windows of opportunity. If the Safety car wouldn't have come out, I'm pretty sure HAM would have came bearing down on both SAI and LEC. A racing driver, especially for Ferrari, needs to be able to cope with a direct instruction "You are not fast enough. Now let your teammate through". Repeated requests to up the pace is just a silly waste of time.

They also need to be able to cope with the fact that sometimes they are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess Abu Dhabi wasn't fun for PER last season, but it's all a part of the gig. Here LEC had both track position and championship position, but SAI was still given the optimum strategy. This was probably because his tires were worse, and he would probably fall like a stone at the restart. But that would have been a part of the job. A team needs to make those calls, and a driver in a top team needs to accept them.

Secondly, the Ferrari strategy desk needs to have some confidence in itself. It seems like RB and Merc plans outs it's races and acts on events, whilst Ferrari mererly reacts to others, which almost always put's them on the back foot.

Both drivers complied with Ferrari’s wishes. Don’t see what you’re getting at here.

[JPower]

It's funny, Lewis was questioning if softs was the way to go. Perhaps it wasn't that obvious if Lewis had doubts. What befuddles me is that Ferrari got the win although from reading these posts it looks as if they lost the race. Charles did fantastic and if the softs did go off then he would might have won. Lewis and Checo had nothing to lose so they took a chance. It worked this time and could just as easily not have.

It's a mix of two crowds. Some are legit Ferrari fans, and are mad at the questionable strategy. The other are Leclerc fans, who feel their driver has been wronged and that everyone on the team should be subservient to him.

It's pretty obvious which comments are which.

Ferrari first, always. But this call got them farther away from WDC & WCC. They went from a 1-2 to a 1-4 with their lead driver losing ground to the 2nd place driver. They failed to maximize points in a race where Max was a sitting duck.

My problem isn’t with fans blaming Ferrari. Its with driver fans blaming other drivers for their favorite’s misfortune.

[Drift4794]

Ferrari has a big problem with confidence in the strategy desk.

First you have the confidence of the drivers.

VER and HAM often complain about strategy calls, but when the "Box Box Box" command is given, they trust their engineers and head into the pits. With Ferrari, it seems to be a negotiation every time, and LEC being the more compliant one, too often gets the short end of the stick for it.

This takes time, and makes them miss their windows of opportunity. If the Safety car wouldn't have come out, I'm pretty sure HAM would have came bearing down on both SAI and LEC. A racing driver, especially for Ferrari, needs to be able to cope with a direct instruction "You are not fast enough. Now let your teammate through". Repeated requests to up the pace is just a silly waste of time.

They also need to be able to cope with the fact that sometimes they are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess Abu Dhabi wasn't fun for PER last season, but it's all a part of the gig. Here LEC had both track position and championship position, but SAI was still given the optimum strategy. This was probably because his tires were worse, and he would probably fall like a stone at the restart. But that would have been a part of the job. A team needs to make those calls, and a driver in a top team needs to accept them.

Secondly, the Ferrari strategy desk needs to have some confidence in itself. It seems like RB and Merc plans outs it's races and acts on events, whilst Ferrari mererly reacts to others, which almost always put's them on the back foot.

Both drivers complied with Ferrari’s wishes. Don’t see what you’re getting at here.

Sainz didn't comply with the 10 car-lengths gap request during the SC. And that won him the race. He's overruled the team in Monaco too and he nearly won there too. It's clear what he's getting at there so I'm not sure why you're intentionally acting dense.

[Xyz22]

Not the first time Sainz is best Ferrari strategist

It was a crazy race with red flags and SCs, and these races usually end up with someone who was not expected to win at the top of the podium. This time it was Sainz, but looks like some Ferrari fans are not happy with this


Congratulations to Sainz, first victory in F1, with Ferrari, at a crazy race in Silverstone. Now he´ll perform better for sure, he´s constantly improving since first race of the season, and now with a victory it will be even better

No the problem is that Ferrari messed up, and luckily for them Sainz picked up his 1st win. If they played from the beginning how they should i.e, letting Leclerc through we would have 1-2 easy. Especially with RB problems.

Sainz didn't had pace in any stint in relative to Charles. Even with broken FW. Had they let him through immediately, they could calmly pit both of them during SC and 1-2 would be secure.

This way we have 1-4 and didn't capitalise on Verstappen problems.

Happy for sainz but overall disappointed how event unfolded. Truth is Sainz was even slower than Merc.

But Ferrari actually ordered Sainz to let pass Charles.

And Sainz was faster than Lecrerc until he went out of track. Maybe he got some car damage too?

He destroyed his tyres and used too much fuel to go slightly faster. His race pace was terrible.

[Drift4794]

Binotto thought Ferrari’s decisions on race strategy were “the right and proper ones at each single time”, with the only potential miscue coming in the call to keep Leclerc out instead of coming in.

“If we would have stopped, maybe the other ones may have stayed out, and they would have maybe been fourth on soft tyres with other cars ahead of him,” Binotto said.

“Would he have recovered the positions? I’m not sure. I think with the hindsight, it’s always easy to say we could have done differently.

“We had once again a safety car at the wrong moment where we were comfortably leading the race at that point.”

The absolute state of this team. Can't even take their mistakes on the chin. It's been 2-3 times where Ferrari have got the tyre deg predictions wrong. Just to highlight the incompetent buffoons at the pitwall, Xavi radioed to Leclerc: "The softs will only be faster for 2 laps" This prediction on cars with mostly empty fuel tanks, with the track rubbered in and Hamilton's reference of the mediums comfortably lasting for 30 laps.

[UlleGulle]

Ferrari has a big problem with confidence in the strategy desk.

First you have the confidence of the drivers.

VER and HAM often complain about strategy calls, but when the "Box Box Box" command is given, they trust their engineers and head into the pits. With Ferrari, it seems to be a negotiation every time, and LEC being the more compliant one, too often gets the short end of the stick for it.

This takes time, and makes them miss their windows of opportunity. If the Safety car wouldn't have come out, I'm pretty sure HAM would have came bearing down on both SAI and LEC. A racing driver, especially for Ferrari, needs to be able to cope with a direct instruction "You are not fast enough. Now let your teammate through". Repeated requests to up the pace is just a silly waste of time.

They also need to be able to cope with the fact that sometimes they are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess Abu Dhabi wasn't fun for PER last season, but it's all a part of the gig. Here LEC had both track position and championship position, but SAI was still given the optimum strategy. This was probably because his tires were worse, and he would probably fall like a stone at the restart. But that would have been a part of the job. A team needs to make those calls, and a driver in a top team needs to accept them.

Secondly, the Ferrari strategy desk needs to have some confidence in itself. It seems like RB and Merc plans outs it's races and acts on events, whilst Ferrari mererly reacts to others, which almost always put's them on the back foot.

Both drivers complied with Ferrari’s wishes. Don’t see what you’re getting at here.

Sainz didn't comply with the 10 car-lengths gap request during the SC. And that won him the race. He's overruled the team in Monaco too and he nearly won there too. It's clear what he's getting at there so I'm not sure why you're intentionally acting dense.

Which brings me to my next point. There is a saying amongst officers in the armed forces "Never give an order that will not be obeyed." And asking a driver to potentially give up his first win? That's not going to work, even if you have his dog at gunpoint.

[Spoutnik]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

[Xyz22]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

[Spoutnik]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Raw pace doesn't always win you title... Sainz with the usual "no DNF-mid finish" he do could be closer to Verstappen than Charles without his very very silly mistakes at the beginning of the year.

[Xyz22]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Raw pace doesn't always win you title... Sainz with the usual "no DNF-mid finish" he do could be closer to Verstappen than Charles without his very very silly mistakes at the beginning of the year.

Ah so Leclerc deficit to Verstappen is related to his mistakes? Are we watching the same races?

Have the feeling you are posting in bad faith at this point.

[Schippke]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Maths is one thing... history is another.

Remember Spain? 25 Points wiped out there due to reliability.

Remember Monaco? Another 25 points costed to Charles there too due to Ferrari's pit calls.

I'd argue Canada is worth a mention due to reliability impacting that result too.

Balancing the books, Charles would be around 30-40 points clear of Sainz at this point... reliability aside. And that would be down to pace.

I've got nothing against Carlos; Very happy for his win... but not Ferrari's.

[JPower]

Ferrari has a big problem with confidence in the strategy desk.

First you have the confidence of the drivers.

VER and HAM often complain about strategy calls, but when the "Box Box Box" command is given, they trust their engineers and head into the pits. With Ferrari, it seems to be a negotiation every time, and LEC being the more compliant one, too often gets the short end of the stick for it.

This takes time, and makes them miss their windows of opportunity. If the Safety car wouldn't have come out, I'm pretty sure HAM would have came bearing down on both SAI and LEC. A racing driver, especially for Ferrari, needs to be able to cope with a direct instruction "You are not fast enough. Now let your teammate through". Repeated requests to up the pace is just a silly waste of time.

They also need to be able to cope with the fact that sometimes they are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess Abu Dhabi wasn't fun for PER last season, but it's all a part of the gig. Here LEC had both track position and championship position, but SAI was still given the optimum strategy. This was probably because his tires were worse, and he would probably fall like a stone at the restart. But that would have been a part of the job. A team needs to make those calls, and a driver in a top team needs to accept them.

Secondly, the Ferrari strategy desk needs to have some confidence in itself. It seems like RB and Merc plans outs it's races and acts on events, whilst Ferrari mererly reacts to others, which almost always put's them on the back foot.

Both drivers complied with Ferrari’s wishes. Don’t see what you’re getting at here.

Sainz didn't comply with the 10 car-lengths gap request during the SC. And that won him the race. He's overruled the team in Monaco too and he nearly won there too. It's clear what he's getting at there so I'm not sure why you're intentionally acting dense.

And if he had stayed in position as you are suggesting an strict driver policy would’ve, would you have been more happy with the result or no?

[bosyber]

Both drivers complied with Ferrari’s wishes. Don’t see what you’re getting at here.

Sainz didn't comply with the 10 car-lengths gap request during the SC. And that won him the race. He's overruled the team in Monaco too and he nearly won there too. It's clear what he's getting at there so I'm not sure why you're intentionally acting dense.

Which brings me to my next point. There is a saying amongst officers in the armed forces "Never give an order that will not be obeyed." And asking a driver to potentially give up his first win? That's not going to work, even if you have his dog at gunpoint.

Good point; Red Bull clearly has learned a bit after multi41, making sure that when they give Perez an order, he knows it's inevitable and not unreasonable, for example (Merc. hasn't really been in a position that tested them often this year); Ferrari has undermined the trust from both drivers that they are being given the best chance they have under the circumstances, and Sainz had already gained himself a better result by questioning them (and Leclerc arguably gotten the worse of the deal because Ferrari reacted late and uncertain in Monaco and here), so why would he think he'd need to comply on such a transparent ploy when he knew he had a chance of the win.

[restless]

Sainz didn't comply with the 10 car-lengths gap request during the SC. And that won him the race. He's overruled the team in Monaco too and he nearly won there too. It's clear what he's getting at there so I'm not sure why you're intentionally acting dense.

This was absurd and stupid request. Hamilton and Sainz would've been quickly overtaken on cold tyres by Perez /RB warms tyres much faster/.
Then Leclerc with damaged wing and old tyres vs Perez... very difficult to predict

10-car length on cold and old hards is not enough for 6 laps