2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[pipoloko]

is double stack LH would be easily in 2 nd and After restart he will be under pressure by SP/FA/Norris with a big chance to lose that battle because the lack of speed
again we can dispute it but I firmly believe that was Ferrari rationale they know the championship is out of reach
RB is clearly sandbagging and not easy to catch, better focus in be 2nd

[Andres125sx]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

[F1NAC]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

it is easy to be consistent when your car is not breaking down much often....

[Drift4794]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

Sainz is a top upper-midfield driver but he's not elite level. Give me one race where Sainz has outpaced Leclerc this season. Just one race. (Montreal doesn't count obviously cuz he was starting from the back). In all the races (3) where he has finished ahead of Leclerc, ALL have been because Leclerc was disadvantaged, either due to strategy, engine failures or starting from the back. Sainz *was* consistent. He hasn't been consistent this season. Leclerc has. Peak revisionism. (which you accuse others of doing BTW for last season and I actually agree with you there)

I have nothing against Sainz. He's lovely. But these weird narratives that Sainz has been anywhere close to matching Leclerc this season are downright hilariois

My god, the gall to attack others for saying empirically true things about your fav driver when your arguments are based on such flimsy grounds...

[Alonsismo]

If Ferrari pitted both drivers they could not control the front with 2 cars. One pass and they'd loose the race.

In that SC situation they choose to maximize the chance to win and they did win.

Leclerc was getting the lemon deal though imagine Sainz getting pole, Leading, being asked to give Leclerc the lead and then being sacrificed in the SC situation.

A clearer nr2 statement is hard to find. They have 2 top drivers and need them both to perform at their peak.

Sainz is nowhere near to be a top driver as he showed this season multiple times.
If someone was left on old and cold hard tyres would have been demolished in 1 lap so keeping one car out was extremely stupid.

From what I have seen so far with Sainz since he joined F1, he is not clearly part of the top drivers of his generation like Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris and Russel.
He is a good and combative driver, but not a top driver

Its incredible how people rate Norris higher than sainz, when sainz destroyed norris at mclaren

[ferkan]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

Spain - DNF from the lead
Monaco - Strat insanity, from the lead, where he had considerable advantage over Sainz in pace
Baku - DNF from the lead (Sainz from the 4th while he was well behind)
Can - Starts last duo to 2x DNF's
Silverstone - Strat insanity, from the lead, where he had considerable advantage over Sainz in pace even with broken FW

[ferkan]

Sainz is 11 points behind Leclerc with 1 more DNF... I don't see why Leclerc should be the clear number one mathematically

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

Last 5 races...

Spain - DNF from the lead
Monaco - Strat insanity, from the lead, where he had considerable advantage over Sainz in pace
Baku - DNF from the lead (Sainz from the 4th while he was well behind)
Can - Starts last duo to 2x DNF's
Silverstone - Strat insanity, from the lead, where he had considerable advantage over Sainz in pace even with broken FW

Not sure how to expect he finishes miles ahead when half of his season (5/10 literally) looks like above?

IMO more worrying is Sainz complete lack of pace, even in qualifying, before Leclerc spin he was more then half a second of on average in every run. In race he couldn't keep up with Leclerc who had damaged FW, its just not enough if we are being realistic.

[Andres125sx]

Because Sainz is slow.

Then Lecrerc is a poor driver who can´t score significant more points than a slow driver, right?

It´s amazing how people like to bash anyone who´s not his favourite. The absurd part is those fans do not notice when you bash your favourite opponents, you´re minimizing your favourite achivements.

Even if Sainz was slow, he´s very consistent. Consistency provide titles, even more than raw speed wich is not consistent

You guys should learn to praise F1 drivers even if they´re not your favourite, both because all of them are into the top 20 of the planet so they´re anything but slow, but also because your favourite will be better if he beats great drivers than if he beats slow ones

Sainz is a top upper-midfield driver but he's not elite level. Give me one race where Sainz has outpaced Leclerc this season. Just one race. (Montreal doesn't count obviously cuz he was starting from the back). In all the races (3) where he has finished ahead of Leclerc, ALL have been because Leclerc was disadvantaged, either due to strategy, engine failures or starting from the back. Sainz *was* consistent. He hasn't been consistent this season. Leclerc has. Peak revisionism. (which you accuse others of doing BTW for last season and I actually agree with you there)

I have nothing against Sainz. He's lovely. But these weird narratives that Sainz has been anywhere close to matching Leclerc this season are downright hilariois

My god, the gall to attack others for saying empirically true things about your fav driver when your arguments are based on such flimsy grounds...

Where did you read anything saying or implying Carlos has been close to Lecrerc?

Stop the fanboyism please, I'm just saying the same thing can be said differently, IE

Option A:
Sainz is slow, he's been beated by his teammate so he should be fired

Option B:
Leclerc, one of the big talents of current generation, is being pretty consistent this season apart from quick, so Sainz didn't have a chance


I hope you can you see the difference, option A is bashing one of the best drivers of the world, and one in the upper half of the grid, while option B praise one of the big talents today and add context to his teammate tough season

[bluechris]

In my mind Ferrari just wanted to give Sainz a win, all the rest they say are mambo jumbo excuses. Lets see what will happen from now on.

[CMSMJ1]

Indeed - stop the fanboyism...

my driver vs your driver - opinions and noses, everyone has one. Keep them clean please!

[JPower]

IMO more worrying is Sainz complete lack of pace, even in qualifying, before Leclerc spin he was more then half a second of on average in every run. In race he couldn't keep up with Leclerc who had damaged FW, its just not enough if we are being realistic.

The median qualifying gap between the two is currently -0.21% Leclerc, which is exactly the gap they had at this point last year.

Median race pace gap is currently -0.19% Leclerc, compared to -0.39% Leclerc at this point last year.

He is slower than Leclerc, but your description of his pace, or lack thereof, is completely exaggerated.

[JPower]

In other news, looks like it will be raining Friday and Sunday.

Should be dry for the sprint race though.

I expect Red Bull to be as quick as ever. Would be nice to steal a race at their home track though.

[Spoutnik]

[Shal_Leg16]

The great sacrifice that never was.

after the instantaneous outburst and 2 days of cooling down i finally got may head right and for a change tried thinking what exactly ferrari tried to do last Sunday.

as much as i could read the situation im not defending then in anyways but this is what must have happened.

ocon stopped, SC car was brought in on Lap 40 , at this point Leclerc had pulled up 3s advantage on Sainz and 7s on Lewis.

ferrari thought they cant double stack hence can only pit one of them. in normal situation the car in front gets the priority and likewise Charles should have came in for new tyres but by doing that they thought Sainz would have suffered more ( not because he is a BTech but because he had far worse /older tyres then leclerc. ) insted they came up with a unconventional ( stipid ) plan to let Charles keep track position and pit sainz , then ask him to help leclerc with his bad tyres. *** important point to be noted here is ....the flawed notion of sainz supposed sacrifice is planted here....its not like sainz was winning/leading and he was asked to give it away. for Ferrari they were just trying to salvage a 1-2 finish just like it was before the SC incident. before the SC intervention Leclerc was 1st sainz was 2nd ...they wanted them finish similarly.

Now that plan may look stupid at first but it was not something undoable. We clearly saw Leclerc held off lewis so long even on old hard tyres ....so why couldn't Sainz that too with fresh tyres ? the worst case scenario was perez snicking in but even then 2 cars on podium was very much possible.

Sad reality is....they trusted Sainz too much, sainz was unexpectedly put in a advantageous position by this stupid strategy and sainz just ran away with it... leaving leclerc to fight his battle on his own ...

Now again , im nowhere saying Sainz is bound by any law to accept that stupid plan ... but then neither Charles is bound to trust a teammates who's sole Target is to beat him at all cost. this is going to fall apart soon. dont believe in their smily faces .

Also....its becoming a repeated occurrence now that... Ferrari with their limited sight try to work out something that can work for both ( just like they couldn't simply ask sainz to swap and kept on setting lap targets to push and keep his place , eventually pitting him to avoid swap in 1st phase ) but sainz just destroys their plan A and since they don't have much of B ...it cost them including leclerc. you can get these shades at Monaco GP too. Perez pitted , Ferrari thought it was a undercut on sainz and opted to pit him but sainz was singing his own song...he argued and this went on for 2 laps and leclerc was left hanging so much so that perez undercut both.

coming back to this race ... my mind tells me ... Ferrari was not asking any sacrifice from Sainz he was keeping his place , he was just being asked to compensate for the advantage he got by their wishful thinking. ..for me one more question arises after all that sh*t - Can Leclerc really trust sainz now ? if I was Leclerc i would not even 1%.

[Spoutnik]

Guys... think longterm.
It was good for nobody that Carlos was not confident and became the biggest number 2 on the grid.

Sure he'll be faster now. He'll pressure himself less. He's starting to understand the car, his performance was good in Canada and we can't really know for Silverstone, but he was in the mix.

In the 2nd half of the year he will be useful for strategy if Leclerc v Verstappen happen. Other way around, he can make the championship unpredictable by being the Hamilton of 2010 (few unexpected wins and taking point out of each RB sometimes).