2022 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 01 - 03

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Re: 2022 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 01 - 03

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Schuttelberg wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 20:53
Anyone else here desperate to see Charles in any other team?
What would you expect to improve if that´s the case?

Right now it would only be a step forward (car perfomance wise) if it´s RBR, any other team will be a huge step backwards. And politically speaking a move to RBR would be a step backward, maybe Ferrari do not provide him clear #1 status (yet), but at RBR he would be a clear #2, at least while Max is still there

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chrisc90 wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 22:10
Why didnt Ferrari drivers just slow down enough in order to get to the pit in order to double stack?
Ferrari did explain that, they thought new soft tires would not last the remaining laps so he could not regain the leadership. That´s assuming if they both pitted their rivals wouldn´t. That´s the problem of leading a race when a SC is deployed, your rivals can react and take opposite strategy to take the lead

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Andres125sx wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 08:01
Schuttelberg wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 20:53
Anyone else here desperate to see Charles in any other team?
What would you expect to improve if that´s the case?

Right now it would only be a step forward (car perfomance wise) if it´s RBR, any other team will be a huge step backwards. And politically speaking a move to RBR would be a step backward, maybe Ferrari do not provide him clear #1 status (yet), but at RBR he would be a clear #2, at least while Max is still there
Team.performance wise you mean.

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Aesop wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 08:36
Andres125sx wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 08:01
Schuttelberg wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 20:53
Anyone else here desperate to see Charles in any other team?
What would you expect to improve if that´s the case?

Right now it would only be a step forward (car perfomance wise) if it´s RBR, any other team will be a huge step backwards. And politically speaking a move to RBR would be a step backward, maybe Ferrari do not provide him clear #1 status (yet), but at RBR he would be a clear #2, at least while Max is still there
Team.performance wise you mean.
Yes, not only car performance but team performance. But anycase it would still be a step backwards pollitically, as RBR has a #1 and Lecrerc would be #2

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I do think he is the number 1 at Ferrari, but they saw no good chance to get him in the lead?

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I think it’s just the price you pay to get SAI to play the support role. I expect Ferrari moving forward to outwardly favour LEC; you’ve had your pole - you’ve had your win Carlos, time now to do what’s right by the team.
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Lec did drop the ball by going off in qualy. Sai had that pole. The race just played out this way. I think Ferrari had other plans but it didn't materialize.

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214270 wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 12:54
I think it’s just the price you pay to get SAI to play the support role. I expect Ferrari moving forward to outwardly favour LEC; you’ve had your pole - you’ve had your win Carlos, time now to do what’s right by the team.
There are only a few points between them so tricky to say to Sainz " you will let Charles win'. What if Saniz wins in Austria on merit? That becomes even trickier for the team doesn't it?
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Andres125sx wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 08:05
chrisc90 wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 22:10
Why didnt Ferrari drivers just slow down enough in order to get to the pit in order to double stack?
Ferrari did explain that, they thought new soft tires would not last the remaining laps so he could not regain the leadership. That´s assuming if they both pitted their rivals wouldn´t. That´s the problem of leading a race when a SC is deployed, your rivals can react and take opposite strategy to take the lead
Which means that the data they got from FPs where wrong!
Not to mention of course that this is a lie, since they LEC-SAI had 9 seconds diff when the SC came out. Unless the 5 secs they told us in Monaco was BS. I doubt tough, because if you consider that the average pit stop is around 3.5, 5 sec diff sounds about right.

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Juzh wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 09:42
michl420 wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 08:46
Leclerc must follow the SC much slower, he would lost the position at least against HAM and SAI. He would finished the race probably 3. So the result would me better with this stop.
If those two hadn't pitted they would jus be sitting ducks vs leclerc on new soft. In the end only thing that would happen is maybe hamilton jumps carlos trough pitstops due to ferrari double stack, but that's it. Still it would be ferrari 1-3 with the "right" driver winning it.

Prior to SC hamilton was never gonna pass leclerc. Hard tyre had a lot of durability and they were very evenly matched on pace. First he had to go trough sainz and that would cost more laptime against leclerc who was already more than 6s up the road. Then he has to catch and pass him on track - not happening.
The question was what would have happened if LEC pited one lap after SAI and HAM.

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Isn't it a joke?

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Mind boggles! 7.4 for driving about 50metres and crashing out?

Perez driving from the back of the grid to finish 2nd only deserves a 7.6?

Equal with P4, P6 and P10 but different points?

Alonso ahead of Max with the same score but P4 and P6?


Someone must have been smoking the magic dragon when they come up with that.
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chrisc90 wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 19:57
Mind boggles! 7.4 for driving about 50metres and crashing out?

Perez driving from the back of the grid to finish 2nd only deserves a 7.6?

Equal with P4, P6 and P10 but different points?

Alonso ahead of Max with the same score but P4 and P6?


Someone must have been smoking the magic dragon when they come up with that.
Fastest / joint fastest car on the grid, benefitted from the SC otherwise would have finished a very distant 4th behind the third fastest car on the grid. Zhou getting a sympathy vote, presumably, but did also get through in to Q3 as did Latifi. Mick got a good rating presumably because he started from almost the back and was fighting with Max in the points at the end - a better relative result than Perez's, really, all be it helped by the loss of three cars at the beginning.
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michl420 wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 17:50
Juzh wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 09:42
michl420 wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 08:46
Leclerc must follow the SC much slower, he would lost the position at least against HAM and SAI. He would finished the race probably 3. So the result would me better with this stop.
If those two hadn't pitted they would jus be sitting ducks vs leclerc on new soft. In the end only thing that would happen is maybe hamilton jumps carlos trough pitstops due to ferrari double stack, but that's it. Still it would be ferrari 1-3 with the "right" driver winning it.

Prior to SC hamilton was never gonna pass leclerc. Hard tyre had a lot of durability and they were very evenly matched on pace. First he had to go trough sainz and that would cost more laptime against leclerc who was already more than 6s up the road. Then he has to catch and pass him on track - not happening.
The question was what would have happened if LEC pited one lap after SAI and HAM.
Yeah I asked above and got no answer but was able to figure it out after looking at the lap times under sc. If he pitted the lap after he likely would have lost out to both of them. The main reason is that on the lap that the sc was deployed, they were driving at full speed during part of the lap, so therefore that inlap is always going to be faster than an inlap driven completely under a full sc. This is also why Norris lost a position to Alonso.
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michl420 wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 17:50
Juzh wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 09:42
michl420 wrote:
05 Jul 2022, 08:46
Leclerc must follow the SC much slower, he would lost the position at least against HAM and SAI. He would finished the race probably 3. So the result would me better with this stop.
If those two hadn't pitted they would jus be sitting ducks vs leclerc on new soft. In the end only thing that would happen is maybe hamilton jumps carlos trough pitstops due to ferrari double stack, but that's it. Still it would be ferrari 1-3 with the "right" driver winning it.

Prior to SC hamilton was never gonna pass leclerc. Hard tyre had a lot of durability and they were very evenly matched on pace. First he had to go trough sainz and that would cost more laptime against leclerc who was already more than 6s up the road. Then he has to catch and pass him on track - not happening.
The question was what would have happened if LEC pited one lap after SAI and HAM.
He was already trapped behind the SC, so he would have lost allot of time before the SC would be at pit entry. Dropped him back at the grid.