2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[chrisc90]

I think the team not being assertive enough with their drivers will ultimately cost them a good chance at winning either title.
Them both battling today in the sprint enabled Max to get a good enough lead in order to cruise to victory. Fighting each other cost them both 2-3secs to the leader. Sainz killed his tyres after locking up and that was the end of that.
Whether they would have had the pace to challenge for the lead outside of the battling each other, is another question.

It’s a shame they making basic mistakes or not keeping drivers in line in order to maximise points for the team.

Not sure what we will see going forward, but with 12 points between them, the team are going to have to decide on a driver who can possibly challenge for the title, which is slowly slipping away from them since their highest driver trails max to 44 point deficit.

[ferkan]

“Free to fight” means “free to fight”.

Been that way since the beginning of 2021.

If Ferrari wanted a strictly #2 driver, they would’ve picked a slower driver or outright established expectations of a hierarchy at contract signing.

They have done neither and hopefully will not going forward.

Monaco and Silverstone not being complete Ferrari cock up of Leclercs face and Leclerc is ~40 pts ahead. Thats similar to Max - Perez gap...

Leclerc cannot be expected to dominate him (which he did up until this point in season), if Ferrari demotes him from winning position to 4th every couple races.

Good thing we live in reality and not an imaginary world as hard as that is to accept for some of you.

Let the fight continue. If someone pulls out a big lead or is mathematically eliminated, I'm sure you'll see what you want.

No, what I as Ferrari fan after 15 years want to see is serious WDC challange. Sainz has been nowhere near this year, and really only reason he is anywhere near is complete Ferrari pit wall meltdown in 2 races Leclerc has led, as well as 2 DNFs in races he has led that resulted in 20 grid slot penalty in Canada. That is 5/5 last races. 50% of the season.

This is what pretty much ruined WDC and it very likely means its another year of no winning in sight. If it was vice versa, and Sainz was faster in every single race thus far and Leclerc was faltering I would have said the same thing. My username is Ferkan because it means "Ferrari", but as long time fan I have hard time accepting these kind of pit wall decision.

In the end, context matters, which is why you wont hear Alipe telling Alonso to get it going because Ocon is beating him with ease

[JPower]

No, what I as Ferrari fan after 15 years want to see is serious WDC challange. Sainz has been nowhere near this year, and really only reason he is anywhere near is complete Ferrari pit wall meltdown in 2 races Leclerc has led, as well as 2 DNFs in races he has led that resulted in 20 grid slot penalty in Canada. That is 5/5 last races. 50% of the season.

This is what pretty much ruined WDC and it very likely means its another year of no winning in sight. If it was vice versa, and Sainz was faster in every single race thus far and Leclerc was faltering I would have said the same thing. My username is Ferkan because it means "Ferrari", but as long time fan I have hard time accepting these kind of pit wall decision.

In the end, context matters, which is why you wont hear Alipe telling Alonso to get it going because Ocon is beating him with ease

That's fine. I hope you get that.

Best way for Leclerc to do that right now is to continue to drive fast. Pretty simple. Plenty of opportunity to put his stamp on this season. Hamilton had to do it vs Bottas in the second half of 2017.

Still a long way to go though and I'm looking forward to the team battle.

[Drift4794]

Delusions of the highest orders here.

"Does not matter how the drivers got there, but the points are all that matter" to justify why they shouldn't favour Leclerc over Sainz because of the points gap.

It does not matter? Who is more likely to mount a successful title challenge? I'd want to bet on the driver who's been clearly faster in EVERY race. There has not been a SINGLE race where Sainz has finished ahead of Leclerc on merit. Not one.

If Sainz was faster, I would say the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to me who mounts the title challenge. At the end of the day, it's Ferrari who win. But I'm gonna maximize those chances by betting on the faster driver. It's stupid not to. But you know, way easier to hand-wave away those reasonable justifications with accusations of fanboyism and bias.

[Drift4794]

We went from "just you wait for Spain" to "I LOVE to see teammates fight it out". Hilarious and pathetic. Clearly doesn't register in some people's minds that the fights cost lap time that is so crucial when the cars are basically level, if not the RB18 being slightly better.

[Shal_Leg16]

Delusions of the highest orders here.

"Does not matter how the drivers got there, but the points are all that matter" to justify why they shouldn't favour Leclerc over Sainz because of the points gap.

It does not matter? Who is more likely to mount a successful title challenge? I'd want to bet on the driver who's been clearly faster in EVERY race. There has not been a SINGLE race where Sainz has finished ahead of Leclerc on merit. Not one.

If Sainz was faster, I would say the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to me who mounts the title challenge. At the end of the day, it's Ferrari who win. But I'm gonna maximize those chances by betting on the faster driver. It's stupid not to.

As i said already , this debate is loosing its touch with reality. after these 1 & half seasons there should not be any doubt that who is faster and who is capable to fight Max for title but they just simply dont want to accept it. 1 good result from sainz and they start shouting sainz is equal, better .....BS.

on top of that ...i don't think anyone of them is this naive & stupid to think without prioritizing one driver Ferrari can beat RB , thats impossible but again ....fanboi in them just dont give a damn. They will repeat the same thing 10 million times - sainz should get equal chance...even if he can't beat leclerc on merit.

[Shal_Leg16]

No, what I as Ferrari fan after 15 years want to see is serious WDC challange. Sainz has been nowhere near this year, and really only reason he is anywhere near is complete Ferrari pit wall meltdown in 2 races Leclerc has led, as well as 2 DNFs in races he has led that resulted in 20 grid slot penalty in Canada. That is 5/5 last races. 50% of the season.

This is what pretty much ruined WDC and it very likely means its another year of no winning in sight. If it was vice versa, and Sainz was faster in every single race thus far and Leclerc was faltering I would have said the same thing. My username is Ferkan because it means "Ferrari", but as long time fan I have hard time accepting these kind of pit wall decision.

In the end, context matters, which is why you wont hear Alipe telling Alonso to get it going because Ocon is beating him with ease

That's fine. I hope you get that.

Best way for Leclerc to do that right now is to continue to drive fast. Pretty simple. Plenty of opportunity to put his stamp on this season. Hamilton had to do it vs Bottas in the second half of 2017.

Still a long way to go though and I'm looking forward to the team battle.

how will Leclerc put his stamp if .
.... Ferrari are pitting sainz for fresh tyre while he who was leading the race on merit was left out on old rubber ?

Ferrari has messed it, choosing sainz was wrong in the first place. for sainz he believes he has to prove something ....for him the reason his 7 yrs in F1 went in dustbin is because of good car, he finally has it and he wont back down. he can't see that he can not match leclerc even with a brocken wing. i dont have much issue with sainz ...as long as Ferrari show some balls and make correct calls. prioritize a driver or elase within few races these 2 will start pushing eachother out.

[aleks_ader]

Doesnt really matter. All that discussion here is pointless. Charles seems had a edge till now IMO. But Sainz is human and we cannot judge him. Also team cannot put all eggs in one basket especially if you have reliability issues. That issues can create unpredictable points swigs in favour of any driver. So is somewhat double edge to prefer any driver really.

At end of day Ferrari doesn't have serious speed advantage if at all over RB. Bottom line is that difference too little too late to eat into lead both WCs gap effectively.

Now Ferrari needs finish 1&2 very often in somewhat comfortable manner in order to do that. Ferrari needs some break trough in performance. Or some miracle with Belgium directive that will somehow have effect on RB more than their side of garage.

[Andres125sx]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

So Sainz do not want to win the title???

OMG, I get Lecrerc is your favourite, but please, stop the nosense. All 3 parts want to win the title, and while there´s no significant difference in points, Ferrari will not favour any of them.

Accept it and stop bashing Sainz.

Pace difference in past races means nothing. Didn´t you learn it past season? Because it was exactly the same, but in the end Sainz finished the championship with more points than Lecrerc

[Andres125sx]

Well, Leclerc is doing considerably better in races as well. Its a bit hard to extend your lead when team takes wins of from you (Monaco and Silverstone) and you lose from lead twice duo to DMF.

Agree. It´s called racing. And that´s the reason to not favour any driver if they´re close in points.

None has a crystal ball to know what of them will suffer more mechanical problems or wrong decisions in the remaining races, so Ferrari do not want to limit their own chances ruining Sainz championship.

But people tend to confuse Ferrari interest with Lecrerc interest. Even if he´s faster, while the table do not show that Ferrari should and won´t favour anyone. Common sense.

[Andres125sx]

If thay have any real ambition to compete they will have to choose one. if you think Ferrari should prioritize giving Sainz equal and fair chance over titles and wins then... seriously you need to rethink this sport.

It´s not him, but Ferrari. Do they need to rething this sport?

I know, you know better than Ferrari how to manage a F1 team

[pipoloko]

when are we going to accept Binotto's decision?
"we will not give priorities to any of our drivers yet"
could be a mistake or not but is a decision !!!!
if you guys don't accept it call J.E ask to replace binotto

[Shal_Leg16]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

So Sainz do not want to win the title???

OMG, I get Lecrerc is your favourite, but please, stop the nosense. All 3 parts want to win the title, and while there´s no significant difference in points, Ferrari will not favour any of them.

Accept it and stop bashing Sainz.

Pace difference in past races means nothing. Didn´t you learn it past season? Because it was exactly the same, but in the end Sainz finished the championship with more points than Lecrerc

obviously even mike Schumacher dreams if winning a title...im talking about realistic targets...and there is no doubt what so ever Sainz is not thinking about title at the moment, his prime and realistic target is beating Leclerc. dont be so naive to take everything so literally.

Socondly...i have never bashed Sainz, never said he is trash or bad, he is not good as Leclerc is a fact not bashing... Nobody hates Saizn here but least we know of sure who is better. who can really give Max run for his money . certainly not Sainz.

Didn't you learn in past season what ?

i definitely learned 1 thing, Sainz is not good enough to win races and titles.... unless he gets lucky. Even last sunday Max had a damage ...Perez was hit by leclerc ( of all ) , leclerc himself got screwed by Ferrari strategy ...thats how Sainz won. not on merit on pure luck.

lastly to conclude ...why im so sure about Sainz's attitude is ecoed by your comment...." but in the end sainz finished ..." we all know how that unfolded and how he got those 5 points extra but that doesn't matter...all you guys come up with is he finished ahead ... similarly for sainz lest for now ... titles, wins , points is secondary all that matters is finishing ahead of leclerc.

[Shal_Leg16]

If thay have any real ambition to compete they will have to choose one. if you think Ferrari should prioritize giving Sainz equal and fair chance over titles and wins then... seriously you need to rethink this sport.

It´s not him, but Ferrari. Do they need to rething this sport?

I know, you know better than Ferrari how to manage a F1 team

from what i have seen so far... i would really like to claim that i can do better, not just me there are many who know who is faster and who should get the priority. least i wouldn't get overruled by someone who hasnt wont a fooking race yet.

[Shal_Leg16]

when are we going to accept Binotto's decision?
"we will not give priorities to any of our drivers yet"
could be a mistake or not but is a decision !!!!
if you guys don't accept it call J.E ask to replace binotto

well ...in that case ...binotto should least stick to his words.

nobody is asking him to completly side line sainz....but on sunday he left leclerc who was leading the race on old tyres while allowed sainz to pit . who is he favoring here ? can you guess ?

this is becoming seriously stupid ....sainz fans who are advocating equal chance and not to choose a driver are perfectly fine with what happened on last sunday . Hypocrisy says hiee to all.