2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[falonso81]

The win finally came for Charles, but for the second time in a row it is a bitter sweet one as a Ferrari fan. Serious reliability issues with this engine. We have a car capable of winning the championship but it will be impossible to do it with DNFs as frequently as they are now. Max got the absolute maximum amount of points in a race that he was miles off the pace. On to the next one hoping things will be better.

[N21]

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Some people have such hatred for teams/drivers they can't see the truth staring them in the face. If the Mercs started in position they probably could have beaten Max today who had a horrid race by his standards. His deg was really bad. Russell ruined his race when he damaged his wing with the contact with perez. Not only did he have to serve a penalty but he also had to change the front wing. I need to look at it again, but it looked to me that he opened up the steering to squeeze perez, which if he did infact do that is a stupid move. But yeah...Merc is definitely getting back in the game. Only a blind hater can't see that.

I have massive respect for both Mercedes’ drivers but I disagree with you. Yes, Mercedes have made progress but they would have never been able to take the fight to Ferrari and Red Bull

[Sevach]

Kept dropping like a rock? What race were you watching? He was faster than Ferrari at the end of the first stint, and then the strategy offset did the rest for the pace/time difference in the end. With a normal Q for Merc, they are in the fight.

When Verstappen pitted he came out well behind Hamilton.
When Charles pitted many laps later he came out infront, how was he faster?

After that despite having the freshest tires he kept dropping to the point that when Verstappen pitted the next time he came out a long way ahead of Hamilton.
Same thing for Charles the second(and 3rd) stop.
From 16s behind after clearing the pack to 41 at the finish line.

But sure lots of "potential".

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

It's not just your favorite team and drivers, Gasly bumped Vettel=5s
Doesn't seem fair.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Russell had a quite a few laps in the first stint before he decided to pit, his pace was horrible.
Hamilton's pace on free air was nothing to write home about, anyone with eyes could see that, i said they were far behind and you contested, i don't know why anyone would take issue with that?

[Hammerfist]

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Some people have such hatred for teams/drivers they can't see the truth staring them in the face. If the Mercs started in position they probably could have beaten Max today who had a horrid race by his standards. His deg was really bad. Russell ruined his race when he damaged his wing with the contact with perez. Not only did he have to serve a penalty but he also had to change the front wing. I need to look at it again, but it looked to me that he opened up the steering to squeeze perez, which if he did infact do that is a stupid move. But yeah...Merc is definitely getting back in the game. Only a blind hater can't see that.

I have massive respect for both Mercedes’ drivers but I disagree with you. Yes, Mercedes have made progress but they would have never been able to take the fight to Ferrari and Red Bull

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

[N21]

Some people have such hatred for teams/drivers they can't see the truth staring them in the face. If the Mercs started in position they probably could have beaten Max today who had a horrid race by his standards. His deg was really bad. Russell ruined his race when he damaged his wing with the contact with perez. Not only did he have to serve a penalty but he also had to change the front wing. I need to look at it again, but it looked to me that he opened up the steering to squeeze perez, which if he did infact do that is a stupid move. But yeah...Merc is definitely getting back in the game. Only a blind hater can't see that.

I have massive respect for both Mercedes’ drivers but I disagree with you. Yes, Mercedes have made progress but they would have never been able to take the fight to Ferrari and Red Bull

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

But he did beat Hamilton today

[Hammerfist]

Kept dropping like a rock? What race were you watching? He was faster than Ferrari at the end of the first stint, and then the strategy offset did the rest for the pace/time difference in the end. With a normal Q for Merc, they are in the fight.

When Verstappen pitted he came out well behind Hamilton.
When Charles pitted many laps later he came out infront, how was he faster?

After that despite having the freshest tires he kept dropping to the point that when Verstappen pitted the next time he came out a long way ahead of Hamilton.
Same thing for Charles the second(and 3rd) stop.
From 16s behind after clearing the pack to 41 at the finish line.

But sure lots of "potential".

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

It's not just your favorite team and drivers, Gasly bumped Vettel=5s
Doesn't seem fair.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Russell had a quite a few laps in the first stint before he decided to pit, his pace was horrible.
Hamilton's pace on free air was nothing to write home about, anyone with eyes could see that, i said they were far behind and you contested, i don't know why anyone would take issue with that?

Because he damaged his front wing. That's the only reason why he was so slow.

[Hammerfist]

I have massive respect for both Mercedes’ drivers but I disagree with you. Yes, Mercedes have made progress but they would have never been able to take the fight to Ferrari and Red Bull

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

But he did beat Hamilton today

Because hamilton started out of position.

[f1jcw]

Kept dropping like a rock? What race were you watching? He was faster than Ferrari at the end of the first stint, and then the strategy offset did the rest for the pace/time difference in the end. With a normal Q for Merc, they are in the fight.

When Verstappen pitted he came out well behind Hamilton.
When Charles pitted many laps later he came out infront, how was he faster?

After that despite having the freshest tires he kept dropping to the point that when Verstappen pitted the next time he came out a long way ahead of Hamilton.
Same thing for Charles the second(and 3rd) stop.
From 16s behind after clearing the pack to 41 at the finish line.

But sure lots of "potential".

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

It's not just your favorite team and drivers, Gasly bumped Vettel=5s
Doesn't seem fair.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Russell had a quite a few laps in the first stint before he decided to pit, his pace was horrible.
Hamilton's pace on free air was nothing to write home about, anyone with eyes could see that, i said they were far behind and you contested, i don't know why anyone would take issue with that?

There was massive difference between Perez and gaskey. Russel was hugging the line, he didn’t swing into Perez, it was a ridiculous penalty

[N21]

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

But he did beat Hamilton today

Because hamilton started out of position.

I am glad that you honestly believe that. If Perez and Sainz would not have retired, Mercedes would have finished 5 and 6

[N21]

Kept dropping like a rock? What race were you watching? He was faster than Ferrari at the end of the first stint, and then the strategy offset did the rest for the pace/time difference in the end. With a normal Q for Merc, they are in the fight.

When Verstappen pitted he came out well behind Hamilton.
When Charles pitted many laps later he came out infront, how was he faster?

After that despite having the freshest tires he kept dropping to the point that when Verstappen pitted the next time he came out a long way ahead of Hamilton.
Same thing for Charles the second(and 3rd) stop.
From 16s behind after clearing the pack to 41 at the finish line.

But sure lots of "potential".

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

It's not just your favorite team and drivers, Gasly bumped Vettel=5s
Doesn't seem fair.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Russell had a quite a few laps in the first stint before he decided to pit, his pace was horrible.
Hamilton's pace on free air was nothing to write home about, anyone with eyes could see that, i said they were far behind and you contested, i don't know why anyone would take issue with that?

There was massive difference between Perez and gaskey. Russel was hugging the line, he didn’t swing into Perez, it was a ridiculous penalty

Your bias is just blinding you.

The stewards probably know less than you

/s

[Sevach]

I have massive respect for both Mercedes’ drivers but I disagree with you. Yes, Mercedes have made progress but they would have never been able to take the fight to Ferrari and Red Bull

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

But he did beat Hamilton today

Verstappen had enough pace to do an extra pitstop and not be troubled by Hamilton, people are talking nonsense saying that Hamilton could've troubled him.

[N21]

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.

But he did beat Hamilton today

Verstappen had enough pace to do an extra pitstop and not be troubled by Hamilton, people are talking nonsense saying that Hamilton could've troubled him.

Facts

[JordanMugen]

George penalty was very strange. A car turned into him, so what could he do, drive off track, so people can now expect people to disappear

The car, Perez, was ahead so Russell was rightly penalised. Albon was similarly punted some seasons ago despite being ahead on the outside there and a similar penalty was given to the other driver. Likewise Vettel was similarly punted by Gasly in this race, and Gasly was also given a penalty. The overtaken car has to make room for the overtaking car, if the overtaking car is predominantly ahead.

[holeindalip]

The fact is year after year they try to go around the outside of turn 4 and the corner narrows. And every year they end in the gravel. Maybe they should learn and move on

[chrisc90]

Those who say it wasn’t George’s fault…