2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

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Oooo, Charles in bother for breaching parc ferme rules

And max
And Hamilton
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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:01
Congrats to Leclerc on finally winning again after 5 races, and sadly the 2nd Ferrari 1-2 in a row that fizzles out in the last laps.

https://i.imgur.com/vM4Aqz9.jpeg

Well here's the race folks. Ferrari just had better tire degradation through the race, in fact it was kind of in its own race pace, followed by RBR which suffered in their front tire, particularly in S2, something that was already happening in the sprint race but with less fuel it was less problematic. After Ferrari pace comes VER's RBR, and then the 2 Mercs and then everyone else.

Sainz engine sadly exploded with lots of debris. In the F1TV replay at 1:15:00 on his onboard you can hear the engine sound during the failure, and IMHO it's the same thing that happened to Charles in Barcelona. The turbo spooled down overheating and burned the engine. Likely 4th PU in the next race.

Mercs pace was actually very decent on older tires towards the end of stints, also Ham's start made them basically to start around 18 seconds behind, HAM was lapping fine until lap 50, not sure why the last chunk of the race was slower but probably he just brought the car home.

Talking about lap times here's the top 4 drivers:

https://i.imgur.com/4bF4ZWu.png

That end of stint pace from HAM really showing through as it's quite close to Ferrari, although still a few tenths slower, was anyway particularly good at the end of the 1st stint where it was matching Ferrari's times, who themselves were probably trying to extend their stint as much as possible to build a good differential with Verstappen.
VER tire deg was really bad today, with the full tank the car simply was churning through tires at double the speed of Mercs and Ferraris, on new tires his pace was more competitive but that only would last a few laps with the tank full, different story at the end but LEC also had a stuck pedal.
Last interesting bit from the top to check is the stuck throttle from Charles so here is it:

https://i.imgur.com/JRcAn2S.jpeg
Easy to see that the throttle trace never goes to 0 on that Ferrari. Good thing for Charles that he was still so strong in the fast corners T6,7,8 at 2800-3000m because that's how he managed to still win the race and where Verstappen churned through his tires.
Basically opposite race that happened in Miami took place today, too bad Sainz engine blew up, reliability is a big concern at Ferrari but at least they went back to winning races.
cheers!
Thank you for putting this together =D>

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Well, everything we expected this year was checked in this race:
  • Farcical FIA secisions (Perez's qualifying, Russel's penalty)
  • Ferrari PU exploading.
  • Farcical Ferrari decision. (Making Leclerc to overtake Verstappen thrice)
  • Alonso screwed.

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chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:34
Oooo, Charles in bother for breaching parc ferme rules

And max
And Hamilton
Relating to drivers physios interfering before drivers can be weighed.

Can’t see why the FIA don’t weight the driver as soon as they get out the car.
Sure we seen it this weekend they were weighed in the start/finish line before entering to see the teams in the pitlane.

Better procedure would stop this. Some drivers even get weighed in the cool down room, after celebrating with the teams.

Better procedure needed

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mzso wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:39
Well, everything we expected this year was checked in this race:
  • Farcical FIA secisions (Perez's qualifying, Russel's penalty)
  • Ferrari PU exploading.
  • Farcical Ferrari decision. (Making Leclerc to overtake Verstappen thrice)
  • Alonso screwed.
What are you talking about? Ferrari strategy was perfect today, they would have won by 20 seconds, none of the passes on Max were hard or challenging for either driver.

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Hammerfist wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:08
You can disagree all you want but the fact that Max pitted so early combined to the length of Hamilton's first stint would have made it very difficult for him to beat Hamilton today.
Then where do the +41s after 71laps fit in that narrative ? Is all that part of the dra train ?
Come on .. still a very long way to go. And the fact that they weren't upfront, well that's part of that same package, isn't it ?
HuggaWugga !

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Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

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Without a shadow of a doubt they made a mistake by making the apex the final point to judge an overtaking decision. Should be the braking point, anyone on the outside gets hung out to dry because the decision is being made so late. Absolutely no opportunity to change trajectory on exit if you’re both racing to the apex. It doesn’t foster good racing.
Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

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214270 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:08
ALO being a wiley old fox with the silence. I gather he’s under under investigation, so might not’ve gotten away with it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf
Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

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Fastest laps recorded by top 3 on Lap 63.
Max (4 laps old Medium) - 1.07.275
Charles (4 laps old Medium) - 1.07.583
Lewis (11 laps old Medium) - 1.09.020

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chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:42
chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:34
Oooo, Charles in bother for breaching parc ferme rules

And max
And Hamilton
Relating to drivers physios interfering before drivers can be weighed.

Can’t see why the FIA don’t weight the driver as soon as they get out the car.
Sure we seen it this weekend they were weighed in the start/finish line before entering to see the teams in the pitlane.

Better procedure would stop this. Some drivers even get weighed in the cool down room, after celebrating with the teams.

Better procedure needed
How hard it would be to weigh the cars with drivers as they roll in? Not hard at all...

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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:43
mzso wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:39
Well, everything we expected this year was checked in this race:
  • Farcical FIA secisions (Perez's qualifying, Russel's penalty)
  • Ferrari PU exploading.
  • Farcical Ferrari decision. (Making Leclerc to overtake Verstappen thrice)
  • Alonso screwed.
What are you talking about? Ferrari strategy was perfect today, they would have won by 20 seconds, none of the passes on Max were hard or challenging for either driver.
You mean when they forced risky battles with Verstappen, when they could have brought him out before him at multiple parts of the race?

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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 16:48
f1316 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 16:38
Yep, Ferrari doing their best to mess it up - that said, I do kinda get that they went all out to take a step in pace this year and took a chance that reliability would be a risk. They preferred a delicate fast car than a robust one that couldn’t challenge for wins, which I do get given where they were.

They do need to understand it and ensure they’re winning the races they should but that’s racing and hopefully they’ll get there and chip away in the second half of the year.
Makes no sense... they had better tire deg, they weren't faster on straights.
I think you must clearly have misunderstood what I wrote - I said no such thing.

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214270 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:58
Without a shadow of a doubt they made a mistake by making the apex the final point to judge an overtaking decision. Should be the braking point, anyone on the outside gets hung out to dry because the decision is being made so late. Absolutely no opportunity to change trajectory on exit if you’re both racing to the apex. It doesn’t foster good racing.
They shouldn't define any such thing, turns and situations are very variable.
At this instance Russel didn't deserve a penalty because there was no possibility to take the turn tighter by the time Perez got in the way.

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mzso wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 19:04
chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:42
chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 18:34
Oooo, Charles in bother for breaching parc ferme rules

And max
And Hamilton
Relating to drivers physios interfering before drivers can be weighed.

Can’t see why the FIA don’t weight the driver as soon as they get out the car.
Sure we seen it this weekend they were weighed in the start/finish line before entering to see the teams in the pitlane.

Better procedure would stop this. Some drivers even get weighed in the cool down room, after celebrating with the teams.

Better procedure needed
How hard it would be to weigh the cars with drivers as they roll in? Not hard at all...
I guess this is down to where the cars park at the end of the race. Sometimes it’s in the pitlane, so makes sense to drive over the bridge as they roll in, it then got the logistics of teams pushing drivers into the p1-3 bollards in front of the bridge. Other times they park on the start/finish so can’t really weigh them there.

It’s definitely not a hard one for the FIA to sort out though