2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[Bill]

another race another Ferrari engine blowout.someone tried to argue that Ferrari does not have pu reliability issues but hear we are.ferrari knew they could not beat Rbr in a normal race so they choice to dial the pu upto eleven and leave with the consequence,thats a hunch i cant proof that.problem with ferrari is if charles blow another pu he may find himself 60 points deficit and may be impossible to recover from that.alpine too has many pu related problems . Alonso gave up the Honda project but 5 years later he still dealing with constant engine issues,he seem like he cant catch a break.the plan wont work like these

[west52keep64]

From what I understand, there's a new rule this year where they use the apex of the corner as the point where they judge who is ahead? This seems to encourage diving around the outside with overspeed to "win" the corner, and then claim the driver on the inside should just "give" the corner. This obviously doesn't work if the car on the inside is already hard on the brakes. Once comitted to a braking point, there isn't much the driver on the inside can do. The only thing George could have done different was brake earlier, but how can he have known to do that when Sergio overtook him at the apex (after the braking point)?

[chrisc90]

Do we know what happened with the haas engine of k.mag?

[Just_a_fan]

another race another Ferrari engine blowout.someone tried to argue that Ferrari does not have pu reliability issues but hear we are.ferrari knew they could not beat Rbr in a normal race so they choice to dial the pu upto eleven and leave with the consequence,thats a hunch i cant proof that.

I think Ferrari didn't need to do anything with the PU - the Red Bull was eating its tyres. Ferrari must have seen that behaviour in practice because they were confident of the win going in to Sunday (comments by the drivers reported by the Sky commentators).

[mkay]

9 laps out of 71 is a minority, and not even a handful.

Looking at them side by side. Max is on average 1-2 seconds a lap quicker than Lewis across the whole GP, not just the 9 laps you have selected.
https://i.ibb.co/553W3jQ/verham.jpg

The laps you highlight, are the ones when Lewis had fresh tyres after pitting. given he pitted on Lap 29 with a time of 1mins 30. Even with terrible tyre deg, and looking at the laps before lewis pitted on Lap 52, he is still on average half a second behind Max on lap time.

https://www.f1-tempo.com/

Stick Lewis and Max into that site and compare lap times.

Ultimately, the Merc was still nowhere close to a 'slow' red bull today. Even if Hamilton started pole, and comparing the initial laps when all were on the same tyre, Lewis was still neigh on 1.0-1.5secs slower than Max.

Hamilton was in traffic until lap 18 and already a pitstop behind Max at that point.

Max 3-stopped, Lewis 2-stopped - so obviously, Max's lap times will look better, as the lap time chart you posted doesn't show the time lost in the pits. One of Max's pit stops was under VSC so time loss was roughly halved.

Hamilton basically brought the car home after the 2nd pitstop. His P3 was already secured (had a 15s gap to P4) and P1/P2 were too far up the road. Hamilton was also under warning for track limits, so no reason to push whatsoever.

Truth is we'll never know if HAM would have had the pace in clear air from the get go (assuming starting in P4 or P5) to challenge Max knowing his issues with car balance and tyre deg. AMUS believes so after crunching the numbers.

There is no need to speculate and make if's buts and cuts and coulda shoulda wouldas.

If the Merc is able to race the leaders, it will show on the circuit soon enough. It's pointless making up numbers when they've not seen which way the other went on the circuit.

It doesn't matter what the deg is at the end of the stint if you've given up 40 seconds or were so slow as to be overtaken by a Haas in the beginning. It points to deficiencies that hinder the overall ability to perform.

What speculation? My arguments are based on the lap time/gap data from the race. Fact is Lewis could have been in the hunt assuming he starts further up front (which he would have had he not crashed in Q3) which would have halved the gap to the leaders by the time Max had pitted first, as we know he was on a different strategy to Max (1 less pit stop). Nothing controversial about this.

This is one of those races where the final gaps aren't exactly representative of relative pace. And that's all it is.

[mzso]

That's what I don't get about George's penalty.

He made the apex of the corner, had every right to be where he was, kept his line and speed constant and wasn't actually aggressive at all. Nothing he did into, through, and out of the corner actually caused the contact and I don't think anyone can realistically say what George could have done that would've changed the outcome.

Welcome to FIA™ decision making. Making the opposite ruling than what would be fair 90% of the time.
This year they might be even more consistently wrong. Stroll has been driving into other cars in the first several races, yet other drivers were getting the penalties.

[214270]

RUS/PER incident from OCO onboard.

https://streamja.com/KLeOy

[chrisc90]

RUS/PER incident from OCO onboard.

https://streamja.com/KLeOy

Almost looks a little swerve as he catches the kerb with the way the car twitches.

[RZS10]

Do we know what happened with the haas engine of k.mag?
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Almost looks a little swerve as he catches the kerb with the way the car twitches.

From around lap 15 onwards he had misfires when accelerating from low revs, so he took most corners in lower gears to keep revs higher - i doubt there will be any more info about this.
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Grip loss on the curb / understeer, from his onboard there's no opening of the wheel etc

Regardless of the penalty ... ultimately Perez assumed the risk of (potentially) leaving less than a car's width between his car and the line (ergo making the inside car climb the curb) and it did not pay off.

[organic]

Do we know what happened with the haas engine of k.mag?
[...]
Almost looks a little swerve as he catches the kerb with the way the car twitches.

From around lap 15 onwards he had misfires when accelerating from low revs, so he took most corners in lower gears to keep revs higher - i doubt there will be any more info about this.
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Grip loss on the curb / understeer, from his onboard there's no opening of the wheel etc

Regardless of the penalty ... ultimately Perez assumed the risk of (potentially) leaving less than a car's width between his car and the line (ergo making the inside car climb the curb) and it did not pay off.
https://i.imgur.com/I0BWBtc.png

Apparently RB even warned Perez not to make a move around the outside at this corner especially on lap 1 and yet he did it

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-crit ... to-do-that

Speaking after the race, Marko criticised Perez for attempting an overtake at Turn 4, saying he had been warned against such a move.

"We said before the start: do not go around the outside in that corner. That is not possible," Marko told Sky Sport Germany.

[RZS10]

It's what everyone with a basic understanding of car physics has been saying, an overtake there is (nigh) impossible.

Several drivers were side by side into the braking zone but yielded.

Norris was ahead before braking, ahead at the apex but left easily more than a car's width to the white line and even 2/3rds of a car to KMag and then took the risk aware wide and late exit, and did not manage to overtake from an advantageous position.

Vettel took a similar line to Norris but Gasly [edit: corrected] just washed wide and the contact occured with Vettel almost on the outside track edge.

[PlatinumZealot]

RUS/PER incident from OCO onboard.

https://streamja.com/KLeOy

Georges car had some "accidental" understeer just as Perez pulls alongside. That's why they penalized him. Case closed.

[langedweil]

I did not watch the race. But Leclerc overtook Max three times in one race. Surprised Max got caught out so many times. If it were Hamilton some crashing would have taken place to stop him.
Is Max too friendly with Charles? Because he was beaten soundly today if I go by the highlights.

Also how did Hamilton get on the Podium, who did he overtake?

shame on you sir/maam. what a pathetic comment from an orange army acolyte who doesnt even watch the race....
had you watched you wouldve known how hamilton passed the cars to earn the podium.
orange tinted glasses seem to forget the saint has more than his fair share of controversy in passing/defending...

Well, if there would be just one certainty about Ringo, I'd say it would be he is about as juxtaposed to orange as one could be. So your POV is slightly weird ... but telling.

[langedweil]

Not a good sign. These type of sentiments can escalate quickly. Not every passionate person knows where to draw a line. Someone on the team can be targeted. Or even a LH fan.
It's amazing. Hamilton isnt even fighting Max for wins.. but yet he is hated for being on the grid. lol
Zandvort could be very high risk for Lewis and his fans.

Well, I wouldn't say that exactly, but it's the overall ongoing polarizing (clickbaiting) that highlights this, and the way the psychological games are being played by (imho mainly) Ham and Ver. There is no need for that; both lads are amazing, but the weird silencing act is annoying.

[chrisc90]

I’m sure the Dutch fans were cheering him when he got onto the podium and post race interview.