2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

[mzivtins]

Just get back to basics (Mid-Ohio, Indy car ) :
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I don't think any track-limit policing is required here.

But that´s very dangerous. Always, but specially when wet, grass do not slow down any car out of control, and the collision with barriers will be huge.

Let alone bikes, as tracks are never F1 tracks exclusively


But a 1m strip of grass, then tarmac, would work perfectly I think. There should be a small step down (2-3cm) between the grass and the tarmac at the exit to prevent roll overs

I think just giving drivers penalties works perfectly.

Just because they moan doesnt mean they should be allowed to break track limits, no one else does in racing.

Like I have said before, LMP, GT3, GT4 and GTE cars have very harsh track limit penalties and their visibility is far worse than an f1 car.

If F1 drivers are supposed to be the best, then at very least they should be able to keep it on the track.

F1 drivers ignoring track limits is the motorsport version of football diving.

[epo]

Amazing that the teams affected spent the season to date developing their cars and finding solutions where they could.

Equally amazing that two teams are against the changes to the plank rules and those teams are leading and have seen their performance least affected by bouncing so far this season.

So they should be happy they have to spend money and time to comply with mid season changes while Mercedes doesn't? Hardly seems fair, Horner says the claims are rubbish, and the plank flexibility is alleged, not confirmed. In any case, it's effectively eating into the team's budget cap.

Wouldnt it be unfair in the first place if a team is going against the regulations from the start of the season?
If it is that Redbull and Ferrari have been circumventing the rules, that means all the wins up to this stage were aided by rule breaking. So I disagree with your opinion.
They should be happy to keep their points and be thankful they only just have to adapt to mid season changes.
Assuming they are in fact breaking the regulations.

Not sure your comment makes any sense at all, it is Ringo as always. Your love for Mercedes makes you blind and hatred against it's competitors. They are not circumventing the rules just playing it like every team does, even your Mercedes dream team. They probably would not gotten any WK title if they open up the box of cheats from the last years.

[organic]

Silverstone wing for all teams

[Wouter]

First images of Mercedes French GP F1 upgrade revealed

The first glimpses of Mercedes’ latest Formula 1 update have emerged, with a new nose design being spotted in the pit lane at the French Grand Prix.
While the full scope of Mercedes’ developments will likely remain hidden until Friday morning, the Brackley-based squad looks set to run with an all-new nose design.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... /10340871/

[chrisc90]

Big upgrades!

[GrizzleBoy]

So they should be happy they have to spend money and time to comply with mid season changes while Mercedes doesn't? Hardly seems fair, Horner says the claims are rubbish, and the plank flexibility is alleged, not confirmed. In any case, it's effectively eating into the team's budget cap.

Wouldnt it be unfair in the first place if a team is going against the regulations from the start of the season?
If it is that Redbull and Ferrari have been circumventing the rules, that means all the wins up to this stage were aided by rule breaking. So I disagree with your opinion.
They should be happy to keep their points and be thankful they only just have to adapt to mid season changes.
Assuming they are in fact breaking the regulations.

Not sure your comment makes any sense at all, it is Ringo as always. Your love for Mercedes makes you blind and hatred against it's competitors. They are not circumventing the rules just playing it like every team does, even your Mercedes dream team. They probably would not gotten any WK title if they open up the box of cheats from the last years.

The irony is that Ringo typed out an on topic post that makes quite reasonable statements about the actual topic being discussed that I don't think anyone could really argue with.

On the other hand, all you have done is attack him personally and tell him his favourite team "does it too", which is pretty much irrelevant, nor does it invalidate anything he said.

If a car is doing things the rules say it shouldn't but the FIA didn't know because the way they test for compliance couldn't detect it, that's the definition of circumventing the rules.

Whether another teams car also does things beyond the rules doesn't somehow negate that fact.

[chrisc90]

Wouldnt it be unfair in the first place if a team is going against the regulations from the start of the season?
If it is that Redbull and Ferrari have been circumventing the rules, that means all the wins up to this stage were aided by rule breaking. So I disagree with your opinion.
They should be happy to keep their points and be thankful they only just have to adapt to mid season changes.
Assuming they are in fact breaking the regulations.

Not sure your comment makes any sense at all, it is Ringo as always. Your love for Mercedes makes you blind and hatred against it's competitors. They are not circumventing the rules just playing it like every team does, even your Mercedes dream team. They probably would not gotten any WK title if they open up the box of cheats from the last years.

The irony is that Ringo typed out an on topic post that makes quite reasonable statements about the actual topic being discussed that I don't think anyone could really argue with.

On the other hand, all you have done is attack him personally and tell him his favourite team "does it too", which is pretty much irrelevant, nor does it invalidate anything he said.

If a car is doing things the rules say it shouldn't but the FIA didn't know because the way they test for compliance couldn't detect it, that's the definition of circumventing the rules.

Whether another teams car also does things beyond the rules doesn't somehow negate that fact.

Yet the point is he’s picked out Ferrari and redbull who have been ‘cheating’. The exact same thing merc have done when they brought a 2 piece plank after running a single piece all season. Yet he fails to mention that.

Not that there is any evidence of either merc, Ferrari or redbull have been ‘cheating’. But they must be cheating because they are doing better than Mercedes’. Why not mention any other team?

[Watto]

So they should be happy they have to spend money and time to comply with mid season changes while Mercedes doesn't? Hardly seems fair, Horner says the claims are rubbish, and the plank flexibility is alleged, not confirmed. In any case, it's effectively eating into the team's budget cap.

Wouldnt it be unfair in the first place if a team is going against the regulations from the start of the season?
If it is that Redbull and Ferrari have been circumventing the rules, that means all the wins up to this stage were aided by rule breaking. So I disagree with your opinion.
They should be happy to keep their points and be thankful they only just have to adapt to mid season changes.
Assuming they are in fact breaking the regulations.

Not sure your comment makes any sense at all, it is Ringo as always. Your love for Mercedes makes you blind and hatred against it's competitors. They are not circumventing the rules just playing it like every team does, even your Mercedes dream team. They probably would not gotten any WK title if they open up the box of cheats from the last years.

i think it just gets down to any team would exploit grey area if they though it would suit, think teams inc Merc, RB and Ferarri push the limits with FW flex this year. None break the rules but spirit of the is a different matter Merc with FRIC and DAS. Think they go into very grey areas though were legal but, probably not what the rules intended. All teams play the game

[bosyber]

There has been quite a bit of speculation by various journalists on the fact that it is likely the FIA found the things they are aiming to address with this rule (off topic for this race though because the rules come in at Spa, right?) after looking closely at what Ferrari and Red Bull have been doing, and since they are the two teams that have the fastest car, that's the way things go in F1, expectation they have/had a magic bullet. Now, it's quite possible other teams will turn out to suffer from the rule too because good cars seldomly rely on a single magic thing, but for now we only have the above to go on. Think how Mercedes in 2014 had a great engine, but that hid that they also understood the aero rules at the times better than Ferrari or Red Bull managed, and how later other teams suffered more from the 'fric' ban which for a while was supposed to be the other Mercedes secret weapon.

That's in addition to both Ferrari (who were the 1st to be caught running blatantly designed to flex stuff), and Red Bull (how often did the FIA attempt to curb their cleverly designed flex where and when they need it wings over the last decade?) having had prior with understanding and implementing such things. Mercedes has never been caught doing that so either they do it less, or even sneakier (recall DAS wasn't illegal, just a totally out there way to read the rule on steering, so allowed for a year In the end, it will hardly turn the tide on its own, but it might shift the balance.

Anyway, for now we have quite a few teams with reasonably big packages, including Mercedes which will be interesting to see. I'm also looking forward to see whether AT have cured some of their lack of front grip with their apparently big update.

[GrizzleBoy]

Not sure your comment makes any sense at all, it is Ringo as always. Your love for Mercedes makes you blind and hatred against it's competitors. They are not circumventing the rules just playing it like every team does, even your Mercedes dream team. They probably would not gotten any WK title if they open up the box of cheats from the last years.

The irony is that Ringo typed out an on topic post that makes quite reasonable statements about the actual topic being discussed that I don't think anyone could really argue with.

On the other hand, all you have done is attack him personally and tell him his favourite team "does it too", which is pretty much irrelevant, nor does it invalidate anything he said.

If a car is doing things the rules say it shouldn't but the FIA didn't know because the way they test for compliance couldn't detect it, that's the definition of circumventing the rules.

Whether another teams car also does things beyond the rules doesn't somehow negate that fact.

Yet the point is he’s picked out Ferrari and redbull who have been ‘cheating’. The exact same thing merc have done when they brought a 2 piece plank after running a single piece all season. Yet he fails to mention that.

Not that there is any evidence of either merc, Ferrari or redbull have been ‘cheating’. But they must be cheating because they are doing better than Mercedes’. Why not mention any other team?

Your post is another example of the thing I am talking about.

Ringo is talking with another poster about the fairness of teams like Ferrari who I believe have stated they need to make changes due to the new tests the Fia will be doing.

That poster said it is unfair for them to have to make changes.

Ringo asked if it would not be unfair that a team could run a car that would not conform to the rules, but still pass the old test because the old test wasn't effective in checking the cars are legal.

When you look at the discussion in that context, " yeah but you're just a Mercedes fan boy, you hate the other teams, why don't you talk about Mercedes cheating", just seems like an overly defensive and childish attack for no reason.

Also you are upset he is mentioning Ferrari, when Ferrari have come out to say they will need to make changes and therefore are the ones actually being discussed when it comes to the topic of the fairness of having to make changes mid season.

So in the end, Ringo is having an actual discussion about cars and teams, relevant to a discussion he is having with other posters, while you and the other person I quoted are jumping basically just posting off topic what about isms that actually have nothing to do with the point he was making.

Posting essentially "but what about Mercedes, you Mercedes fanboy" while criticising another's posts is just silly.

[f1jcw]

None break the rules but spirit of the is a different matter Merc with FRIC and DAS. Think they go into very grey areas though were legal but, probably not what the rules intended. All teams play the game

Sorry but Fric and Das were totally legal and didn't circumvent any rules.

[Polite]

None break the rules but spirit of the is a different matter Merc with FRIC and DAS. Think they go into very grey areas though were legal but, probably not what the rules intended. All teams play the game

Sorry but Fric and Das were totally legal and didn't circumvent any rules.

wrong, FRIC was banned by the spirit of the rules because there was a rule about not (elettronical) interconnection between axels and they did it in the idraulic way. So fia made a rule banning idraulic interconnection of the axels.
sorry

[Just_a_fan]

None break the rules but spirit of the is a different matter Merc with FRIC and DAS. Think they go into very grey areas though were legal but, probably not what the rules intended. All teams play the game

Sorry but Fric and Das were totally legal and didn't circumvent any rules.

wrong, FRIC was banned by the spirit of the rules because there was a rule about not (elettronical) interconnection between axels and they did it in the idraulic way. So fia made a rule banning idraulic interconnection of the axels.
sorry

FRIC was legal until they changed the rules to specifically outlaw it. DAS was legal until they changed the rules to specifically outlaw it.

[Bill]

Mercedes didnt invent fric why do people keep repeating this falsehood , this team doesn't walk on water.lotus came up with the idea and merc poached some guys from them including Mike elliot.

[Polite]

Mercedes didnt invent fric why do people keep repeating this falsehood , this team doesn't walk on water.lotus came up with the idea and merc poached some guys from them including Mike elliot.

FRIC was invented in modern F1 by Ferrari in the early 2000..

i didn't say AMG invented it.. but they were king with the idraulic fric, while FIA already banned the elettronic fric.. infact Ferrari did not mount it in the car until it became known that AMG had it already in 2014. As soon as Ferrari mounted it, as often happens, the FIA ​​banned it for the following year.