2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:02
Huge tow for Charles.

Surprised RB didnt do similar tbh.
you are speaking like he towed him for the whole straight. he only got with him little before long fast corner. Huge is a bit too much?

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LM10 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:03
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:02
Huge tow for Charles.

Surprised RB didnt do similar tbh.
Not really huge. They didn’t do it on the long straight. Sainz’ Q2 lap would have beaten the Q3 lap of Max, without a tow, mind you.
Yup, Carlos time was really impressive.
Still, well done Ferrari.

Let's see the race pace.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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As expected, another pole, Ferrari is a faster car overall. Just like they ran lower engine mode in P2 race-sim, they did it in P3. Max himself is very, very good in Austria, so he got that pole bagged on his own merit.
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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Ferrari back on the top on quali pace. Race pace will be crucial - if Leclerc will be fast enough to run away... then he is back on fight for WDC.
RBR's strategy is simple - being faster on S2 straight they will be able to overtake with ease. On S1 and S3 even being slower - there is a lot of space to defend themselves... something like Saudi Arabia.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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A great read about the history of Paul Rickard circuit, do you know who that was....
by the late and amazing Denis Jenkinson
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arch ... FY,6BZKH,1

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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That was generous of Sainz. Well-done by him. Charles should return the favor when time comes.

Sainz is the faster car around here, was evident let year as well. Pity he has to start last.

Race pace yet to be seen. Leclerc shouldn't fight Max too much. Should just take 2nd and live to fight another day if the pace isn't there.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:14
As expected, another pole, Ferrari is a faster car overall. Just like they ran lower engine mode in P2 race-sim, they did it in P3. Max himself is very, very good in Austria, so he got that pole bagged on his own merit.
From what i could see, Ferrari gained 12 KM/H (no tow) in the longest straight.
They are really going soft on their practice modes.

Small criticism, tv director, why was the idiot following Carlos on both attempts?

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Good tow from Carlos, I guess it saved .1s in overall but nice move to secure the pole, pace is there anyways in one lap.
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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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incredible qualifying from Lando!

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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All of Charles' time come from turn 11 onwards. Max was actually fractionally ahead up until the chicane when they were both level.
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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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So is Lewis doing his usual "okay it's mid season I'll just automatically go faster than my rival" thing, or did him and George still have different wings going into quali?

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Charles is usually very quick to talk about concerns with race pace when practice hasn’t gone well, but he seemed optimistic in post quali interviews and didn’t mention race pace concerns whatsoever. Will be interesting to see.

Also as a layman, wondering if anyone smarter than me can comment. Nico Rosberg said multiple times that more downforce will therefore put more load through the tyres and cause worse tyre wear. That seems contrary to everything we know about f1? It’s always the car with the most downforce that goes faster, has better tyre wear, etc.

Surely the car with lower downforce is going to scrub them across the track more - eg understeer across the front, which we definitely saw from max, and oversteer or poor traction, eg out of the last corner.

I’m just surprised to hear the argument that more downforce will cause more tyre wear. I haven’t heard that one before…

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I'm worried Ferrari might've screwed themselves using a hard this morning.
Come sunday Red Bull will be able to do Medium-Hard-Hard and Ferrari won't.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:43
So is Lewis doing his usual "okay it's mid season I'll just automatically go faster than my rival" thing, or did him and George still have different wings going into quali?
Car is more predictable to drive, so hamilton can really drive it how he wants, and Lewis has experience in managing tyre temps in qualy. I think Russel was taking advantage of a car that was bouncing all over the place in the earlier rounds and Lewis maybe wasn't getting the feedback he wanted from the car, and maybe Russel's youth means braver and more risk when pushing a bouncing car? Whatever the reason Hamilton doesn't seem bothered finding pace since Barcelona.

Maclarens are looking good!
For Sure!!

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Hey,
sorry I wasn't around for FP3, I'm in the west coast US so FP1/FP3 in european GPs are out of my capacity in normal circumstances. But here's quali!

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- 0.3s is a lot closer than in FP2 and even how Q2 was shaping up, RBR improved their S3 a lot in the last run.
- RBR has the biggest top speed advantage they had since Imola at 7-8kph. That's some real difference, could lead to easier passes in the race or harder to pass. Where this comes from is a lower DF wing that they didn't use in Austria and Ferrari has the same wing of the last 3 races. RBR could show up with better tire deg tomorrow although how FP2 went nothing representative was really seen between Ferrari and RBR, but it wouldn't be the first race that RBR can run lower DF and keep the tires well.
- RBR will have an obvious advantage if the race is close by having 2 cars up there vs Ferrari having one coming from the back. However I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari added some DF to the car to avoid graining tomorrow knowing they were going to use SAI as tow, could be 4D chess here.
- I know LEC had SAI's tow, hard to not know that since the director decided to follow SAI setting the tow up rather than LEC on the lap, but the tow maybe generated 0.1-0.15s advantage, so the pole was going to be there anyway.
- T1 (500m) and T10,11,12 (4000-4600m) are where LEC built his win. T1 in that Ferrari was so dominant that LEC was 8kph faster than Max out of it. T10 LEC was 10kph faster than Max, very significant results.
- But LEC did receive a tow, the best way I can show it is via comparison to SAI best lap in Q2, which by the way was good enough for 2nd place.

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- First of all this SAI lap was really great, just barely slower than LEC's best in Q3 through S2, and then he gave the tow which can be seen at the end of the straight to T10 (3600-4100m).
- SAI was really on point today, easily the fastest driver on track, wonder what time he would have pulled out.

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- Ham described his lap to F1TV as a beautiful lap
- His S1 was really close, however already on the straight to T8 (1800-2600m) Mercs pay a bit of top speed, either they added some wing, or more likely this is the slightly higher drag from the car (RPMs of the engine are higher).
- In T8 Lewis lost a lot already, 0.2s but then the real big loss comes in S3, in T10 Lewis is 16 (!!) kph slower than Charles and that Merc loses 0.6s in S3. That's just another planet.
Good job from Lando to be where he is, his lap is very close to HAM but we'll compare it to RUS instead:

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- NOR really slightly edging out RUS through S1 and S2, almost identical
- RUS, more than HAM, really struggling in T10-11-12-13 where RUS loses 0.2s to Lando.

Overall Ferrari pulled good team work but wasn't necessary, and overall today will matter up to a point, if Ferrari doesn't have a good start it will be tough, if tires don't last it will be tough and most importantly, if engine explodes it won't matter.
Hoping for a good race tomorrow, quali was fun.